Posts by truthlover123

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Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29

by joey jojo in

im not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.

i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.

im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.

truthlover123

when they Israelites came out of egypt, God stated that the firstborn males and animals were to be dedicated to him, not sacrificed. Nations around were sacrificing to false gods one named Molech, ws disgusting to God due to the child sacrifices Lev 20:2 and the Israelites were warned many times not to throw their children into the fire. There are at least 8 scriptures in KIngs that decry this practise . Go to search and enter Molech.

This sanctification to God for the firstborn males was not sacrifice as Molech, but something akin to service and loyalty to God.

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The org's "new lights" - corrupting Proverbs 4:18

by BoogerMan in

proverbs 4:18 says, "but the path of the righteous....grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.".

the bible "light" doesn't get brighter - it never changes - it's a person's direction & course of life which gets brighter.. w11 9/15 p. 14 par.

15 - "when spiritual light on some matter gets brighter, do you try to understand the underlying scriptural reasons for the adjustment?

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This wording of "new light", " Jehovahs chariot on the move" is so wrong. New light indicates old light wrong, but if the Holy Spirit is giving them direction, why is it right or wrong now. Jehovah does not lie, and the Holy Spirit doesn't change his mind. That just indicates they do not know what they are talking about as the scripture says in revelation that not one word can be changed otherwise destruction.

How many people have been disfellowshipped because of "changes" that they could not live up to or swallow. The "generation" word, on last count had about 6 changes, "other sheep" "anointed" all changed several times. Can you imagine the only thing that hasn't changed is the two witness rule- and that is most disgusting of all.

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Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

by KerryKing in

jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

possibly for dairy products only?

truthlover123

Today, we see so much archaeology and history being uncovered, the fact that Gobeckli Tepi (for one instance) was dated to around 10,000 to 12,000 years ago and at that time, whether this be a huge acreage of land used for worship or living , as it is not totally uncovered, indicated all types of animals on the columns - were these used for sacrifice or food? With this archaeology dating of 10-12,000 years ago, the dates ( creation 4025 or 4026 to flood of approx 2400 bc) throws off everything we know about start of earth time. It says Eden was created then Adam formed outside and then put into garden but by that time Gobeckli Tepi was built and devoid of life.

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Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book

by Gorb in

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have some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.

the years i became pimo.

a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.

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It occurred to me two days ago and knowing about the "Jesus" series ,new songs, emphasis on him rather than David, Paul or Jah, which is all new, other than brief mentions over the years and the Greatest Teacher book, that I wondered that now the Project 2025 script is unveiled, and the politicos want to make USA a "christian nation", has the WTBTS been one step ahead to be able to say, without a doubt we are Christian, why, just look at how we worship Jesus? Foregoing any type of shutdown should a certain person win. Just a thought.

I just feel there was something big behind the push, especially as the sheep have been told over and over Jesus did not die for the sheep, just the anointed

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Sad observation

by Gorb in

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reading about jw.org rules changes these days gives me a sad observation.. everything what "is" today, can be gone tomorrow.. that makes it all worthless.

you were an elder, searching for evidence, and proof to df a person.

because he or she was not humble enough.

truthlover123

Everything today is gone from yesterday. This is a new "faith" to tie in with new norms in society, go gather more people in to worship the GB 2.0 and support not only with their life, but their pocket book.

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Gaslighting older JW couples to avoid BLAME

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/kvdqtookscu?si=fuqhj44cokmdzkt7.

one of the greatest issues facing the organization today is couples that sacrificed family life or businesses opportunity in order to preach the many dates the watchtower set in the .

past only to be betrayed in recent years as the watchtower is moving away from date setting.

truthlover123

1973-74 saw hundreds if not thousands who left their jobs, sold their homes, went pioneering cause 1975 was the end- the 7000 year was starting, Jesus was coming back. Many brothers and sisters were duped, those who had invested in businesses sold them. Elders preached at assemblies that the end was nigh. Yet since then, no saying "we were wrong" instead it's the fault of those who choose to believe, to have faith in these men who say they are driven by holy spirit. The Holy Spirit does not make mistakes and those who speak as though they are online with it are in trouble. False prophets they are. With the generation change, it was one change of several in that particular word, in thinking, once again, they are right. All they did was extend the "end times" by allowing the anointed to increase as they older boys die off, extending the end times to forever down the line. Now they have changed the second baptism question again. Constant changes under the guise of "Jehovahs chariot is on the move". Crap!

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Disfellowshipping and Excutions

by blondie in

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*w60 2/1 80 - 17 there may be rare instances where a child is so hardened in its stubbornness that even the rod of correction cannot drive it out.

in the days of israel parents were instructed by jehovah to take such a rebel to the city fathers and they, in turn, took the incorrigible one out and stoned him to death.

there were no juvenile delinquents under such a system.

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It's true Blondie, my BIL (whose wife put him up to it) whose daughter got pregnant did the same. Later he contacted the branch and spoke with I guess, one of the lawyers, who advised him to bring her back home. She did come back and delivered a beautiful little girl. One her parents came to love. She later got an apartment and moved out, but at least she had the comfort of her old room while she waited for birth. I purchased baby clothes for her cause I did not care what anyone thought. Her mother and father came around as well, so it was a win win. She is not in the truth today nor is her daughter.

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New lawsuit against the Watchtower in Ontario, Canada

by yalbmert99 in

the new class action lawsuit against the watchtower for having covered up child sexual abuse will begin in court on may 13-14-15, 2024 in the province of ontario, canada.

it is not the same as in the province of quebec because the laws aren't the same.

i don’t have more details.

truthlover123

Gutierrez case judges reasons don't make sense. Just because the letters of warning were issued doesn't mean it did not happen to the kids. That leaves the door open for charges against the elders, CO,DO in charge who knew and let it happen, as good old boys clubs do. Someone has to be held accountable. Who? For the judge to say there are no sunday schools, etc. he doesn't know the kids are put in a soothing trust position from the WTBTS by saying we are all family, love, give you kids to a BROTHER who will help the kid to learn Jehovahs ways. They are teaching from the top that everyone in the org is a safe space, but, lordy, not a pervert who lies and smiles to get his hands literally on the unsuspecting chlldren. Just because they are looking so white and clean now, they never were. Where is the judges reasoning powers?

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Jehovah's Witnesses "Declare the Good News" around the World this week. JW Child abuse PAGE ONE on Google news!

by Balaamsass2 in

7/28/2024 sunday, despite dozens of watchtower official press releases attempting to swamp google seo, new zealand child abuse outrages climb to page one for "jehovah" news results.. ".

former jehovah's witnesses welcome inquiry's findings of 'credible evidence' of abuse.

8:07 am on 27 july 2024".

truthlover123

Regarding two witness rule - what about saying Jehovah and Jesus were my witnesses? What would be their answer? No, they can't be. Why? We pray to them they are with us at all times, aren't they?

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Reddit thread re Oct 2024 WT with picture of window washer - Theme knocking people who Planned

by LongHairGal in

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this thread currently has over 300 comments.. it shows a picture of an older man washing a window looking wistfully… then it talks all about how some may have doubts about not having planned and the situation they are in now that they are older, etc.

it refers to others who did plan and who supposedly have ‘apparent’ financial security.

in my opinion, the whole gist of this article is to make older witnesses feel better who did not pursue a career or plan well for retirement.. it tries to imply that those others who planned only have ‘apparent’ financial security - which is to say they don’t (?).

truthlover123

Many of the CO's, DO's were given straight funds from individual congregation members, with that, the green handshake, as they called it, those ones took the funds directly to the bank, one clerk mentioned (as one that I knew), were depositing regularly "how is it that you never withdraw?'- well they did and bought houses, apartment buildings, invested, usually drove newer cars than those in the congregations. That same one was involved in CA while he was taking handouts and overbearingly dealt with those in the congregations. Thought they were royalty.

By 1982 we knew- after the 75 debaucle, it was time to get regular jobs with a pension- both of us did and bought shares in the companies as both were offering them. thank god we did. Monies to the org stopped as did the green handshakes.

Par 10- the first sentence is the one where I could say - Yes, but it would not be becoming one of JW's!