Yes I cringe. I don't think the bible was trying to be scientific, everything in genesis is for a human perspective. I believe in God, I also believe in the Big Bang, evolution...I believe God used these things. it's like he set it into motion, and then stepped back for a long time, decided dinosaurs had gotten too large and decided to just keep the small ones that tweet nice. Other planets, they are part of the Big Bang. I took astronomy at the junior college when I was still a witness. Had many arguments with my parents and even other witnesses. It was back when astronomists suspected other planets but hadnt found any yet. Had just noticed gravitational wobbles in certain stars. Witnesses I told said 'no, that's ridiculous, there aren't any other planets!!' They will deny anything until there are pictures. And even then. My father hardly believes in dinosaurs. Even though they've found full skeletons. They might as well be flat Earthers, really.
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Kingdom Hall science.
by DATA-DOG inmy wife is listening in today.
i hear the speaker talking about "godless" people.
they have not made a thorough investigation about creationism vs evolution.
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Lets pretend jw's disappeared
by atheist_R_stupid inand joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.
that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.
that would be sex, with condoms.
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Yeah I agree that they're NOT a positive force in their communities, since they don't do real charity work or get involved with community organizations! in fact, the worst things get, the happier they are, cuz they can say 'see?'
I was quite the rebel to be the PTA president when I was still a witness! Most don't do stuff like that.
However they are in general not a Negative force in their communities, either. Not to the public, anyway. Inside, we know how messy everything is under the facade, and how miserable.
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New to the forum
by Gone and forgotten infirst i want to say that i really appreciate this forum.
most other places i've seen are nothing but filled with spite and hate.
this site is reasonable and supportive...thank you for that!.
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FayeDunaway
Gone and forgotten, yes, merry Christmas, happy birthday, and happy new year too! And I'm hoping you stay healthy. 50 is a great time to start living on your own terms!!! If you are confused about what you believe, but are a spiritual person, pray for direction, and study, using reference material that isn't witnesses to get a different perspective. -
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A Mind at War
by cappytan inright now, i feel like my mind is at war with itself.. on the one side is reason, logic.. on the other is tradition, hope and fear.. reason and logic are challenging life-long beliefs.
they are telling me, "is this any more believable than the story of the lord of the rings?".
certain doctrines of my belief system are crumbling.. my mind still wants to hold on to the belief in a creator, his son jesus and the bible.
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Cappytan, if you want to leave this thing and still have a faith in God, study. Read apologetics websites. Read the New Testament. Notice how often Jesus is mentioned next to God, and notice how often he's mentioned in wt literature or in talks or comments. It's completely different, and this is a result of brainwashing. Even when scriptures are read about Jesus, follow up answers will be about Jehovah. Witnesses have changed the bible. Get yourself a good version. Some include Yahweh in the Old Testament as it should belong, but don't add It wherever the heck they want to in the New Testament, where it shouldn't. There is absolutely no case for adding it there. Do some research. Get out your interlinear Greek Scriptures bible. The purple one. It helped me immensely!!! When you've researched every single thing witnesses differ from mainline churches on, then read about fundamentalism. It helped me a lot to move from fundamentalism. It's the only way that I can have a faith, because I have a scientific mind. We can talk about these issues later. But I am completely at peace now, I have a strong faith, I am part of a very good church community, where people care about each other but they don't judge each other (seriously!) and there's just a lot of worshipfulness gratefulness and joy. -
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Lets pretend jw's disappeared
by atheist_R_stupid inand joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.
that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.
that would be sex, with condoms.
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Lets pretend jw's disappeared
by atheist_R_stupid inand joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.
that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.
that would be sex, with condoms.
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How much real Integrity does the average JW have ?
by Phizzy inconsider the definition of integrity given below :.
" the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.. "a gentleman of complete integrity".
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FayeDunaway
However, many are really stuck because of family situations, so they TRY to believe, try to make it work. I did this for many years myself. I really don't want to criticize those who do think for themselves but just can't get out of it. It's a huge step and a cruel situation. -
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How much real Integrity does the average JW have ?
by Phizzy inconsider the definition of integrity given below :.
" the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.. "a gentleman of complete integrity".
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How much real Integrity does the average JW have ?
by Phizzy inconsider the definition of integrity given below :.
" the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.. "a gentleman of complete integrity".
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FayeDunaway
Actually fremind, my best friends husband is an inactive witness accountant, and he says his (many) witness clients aren't honest with their taxes and try to get away with paying less than they owe all the time.
do they have true integrity? I think in a cult you can't call it true integrity. Integrity is holding to your own principles, using your own mind, and then being true to that. I agree with Morpheus. This following blindly what other people tell you is weak mindedness.
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New member, no longer just reader...
by freemindfade inso i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.
been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.
mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.
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FayeDunaway
Thanks fremind! Billy did the new songs at all compare with that 'singing kingdom melodies' tape fiasco of the mid 90's? THAT was painful to listen to!! Funny how no sister got a solo :P but they were the only decent singers!