They did not deign to recognise they are standing on the shoulders of giants.
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by Separation of Powers inthere are several disturbing things that were said in the latest annual meeting.
one of the most disturbing was a comment made by david splane.
he made reference to how the clergy "howled" when the first new world bible translation committee produced the first nwt.
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A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17
by Stand for Pure Worship inthat text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.
second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.
you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.
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Stand for Pure Worship: Second only to the Wild Beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-JW populace.
Like many others on this board I still am a practising, teaching JW, complete with grey Bible.
The internal divisions you speak of and happily attribute to ex-JW's are actually within the religion as well.
As you so correctly quoted, a house divided against itself will fall.
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Jesus Christ is King even before 1914 so Why the Need to...
by ProfCNJ ingood morning folks!
i have believed in the 1914 jw core teaching for more than 20 years.
but now, after seeing much about this date, i find it uncomfortable and odd to believe it unquestionably, much less defend it against opposing thoughts.
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There's the account of Stephen being stoned:
(Ac 7:55, 56) But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.
And Jesus final instructions after his resurrection:
(Mt 28:18, 19) And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations. . .
Lots of references to already sitting at God's right hand:
(Ro 8:34) Who is he that will condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, rather the one who was raised up from the dead, who is on the right hand of God, who also pleads for us.
(Eph 1:20) with which he has operated in the case of the Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
(Col 3:1) If, however, YOU were raised up with the Christ, go on seeking the things above, where the Christ is seated at the right hand of God.
(Heb 1:3) He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.
(Heb 8:1) Now as to the things being discussed this is the main point: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
(Heb 10:12) But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God,
(Heb 12:2) as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(1Pe 3:22) He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.
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BASIC TRUTHS
by The Searcher ini appreciate that i'm stating the obvious to most on here, but i thought it might cause some lurkers to take a step back, and calmly consider these points.. 1. a revised nwt was necessary, due to the original nwt being deficient.
if it was the rolls-royce of translations, then why change it?
forget the gb's 'given' reason for doing so, and examine the blatant changes in many scriptures.
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Nicely stated Searcher.
The scriptures which come to my mind are:*** Psalms 107:27 ***
They reel and move unsteadily like a drunken man, And even all their wisdom proves confused.*** Isa 5:18 ***
Woe to those drawing error with ropes of untruth.*** Galatians 2:18 ***
For if the very things that I once threw down I build up again, I demonstrate myself to be a transgressor.*** James 1:7, 8 ***
In fact, let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from Jehovah; he is an indecisive man, unsteady in all his ways.Splash
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TTATT in a can
by ILoveTTATT inso... i have been working on an excel spreadsheet that has "ttatt in a can"... i have it both in spanish and in english.
here's a preview:.
category / year1879188018901891name?bible studentsbible students "time of the end" starts in the year?17991799 "parousia" (presence)?18741874 jesus enthroned?18781878 end of the harvest?19141914 earthly resurrection?
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While I'm in the mood, a few more:
IS OUR MESSAGE DIFFERENT FROM JESUS' MESSAGE?
YES - Benefit From Theocratic Ministry School Education p.279 para.2
"Note, however, that the message that Jesus said would be proclaimed in our day goes beyond what his followers preached in the first century."
NO - Galatians 1:8 "However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed."
WORSHIPPING JESUS?
Up to 1954 "YES" -
"Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah’s purpose (Heb.:3–6)."
-- Watchtower 1939 Nov 15 p.339.
In 1945 Knorr amended the Watchtower Charter. Included within the new Charter is the statement that the purpose of the Watchtower Society is to promote the worship of Jehovah and Jesus. This charter is a legal document that continues to be the Watchtower Charter to this day.From 1954 "NO" -
WT 1954 Jan 1 p.31 Questions from readers: "Should we worship Jesus?"—G. B., Ethiopia.
...the answer to the above question must be that no distinct worship is to be rendered to Jesus Christ now glorified in heaven. Our worship is to go to Jehovah God.ORGANIZATION - ITS IMPORTANCE
1893 - No organization today. WT 1893 p.266
1894 - Not part of the Lord's plan. WT 12/1/1894 p. 384
1895 - Beware of organization. WT 9-15-1895 p.216
1955 - Respect the organization. Qualified to be Ministers, 1955, p.380
1957 - Obedience to organization. WT 5/1/57 p.274
1972 - Submit to headship. (Governing Body) WT 12-15-72 p.755
1983 - Essential part of the Lord's plan. WT 2/15/83 p.122012 - Bible points to organized worship as the kind acceptable to God. Awake! 2012 Sept. p.21
DISFELLOWSHIPPING IS LED BY HOLY SPIRIT
It Is Unscriptural! -- w47 1/8 p.27 Are You Also Excommunicated?
NO -- w59 3/15 p. 179 par. 26 Helpers Toward Walking Wisely
YES -- w61 7/15 p. 435 par. 19 Become Activated by the Spirit of Jehovah
YES -- Paradise Restored (1972) chap. 20 p. 353 par. 21 A "Third Part" Preserved in a Purged Land
YES -- w88 9/1 p. 16 par. 12 Stand Firm Against Satan’s Machinations
NO -- w89 9/15 p. 18 Elders—Treat God’s Flock With Tenderness!
YES -- Shepherd the Flock of God (2012)
DISFELLOWSHIPING ANNOUNCEMENT SHOULD INCLUDE SIN DETAILS
YES - w54 10/1 p. 595 par. 17 Christians Live the Truth
NO - w96 1/15 p. 19 par. 17 Jehovah’s Sheep Need Tender Care
WILL THE MEN OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH BE RESURRECTED?
1879 YES WT July, 1879 p.8
1952 NO WT 6/1/52 p.338
1965 YES WT 8/1/65 p.4791967 NO WT 1/7/67 p.409
1974 YES Awake! 8/10/74 p.20
1988 NO WT 8/1/88 p.31
1988 YES You Can Live Forever... p.179 (Old Edition)
1988 NO You Can Live Forever... p.179 (New Edition)
1988 YES Insight On The Scriptures, Vol.2, p.985
1988 NO Revelation - Its Grand Climax p.273BLACK PEOPLE ARE FROM THE CURSE OF NOAH'S TIME
YES - Golden Age, July 24th 1929:
NO - g75 10/8 p. 11 A Book of Myths or a Misrepresented Guide?
The man Noah pronounced a prophetic curse on his grandson Canaan, but no divine curse was ever pronounced upon the black race.
NO -w53 8/1 p. 478 Questions From Readers
Incidentally, when some try to say this curse caused some men to be black-skinned they show ignorance of the Bible record, for colored peoples did not descend from the cursed Canaan.
ADVICE ON DISEASE, APPENDICITIS, CANCER, ETC.
-- Watchtower Jan 15 1912 (reprints p.4963)
It is known that only about three out of every one hundred operated upon for appendicitis really have a diseased appendix needing removal. We give below a simple cure for appendicitis symptoms. The pain in the appendix region is caused by the biting of worms near the junction of the transverse colon with the small intestines, low down on the right side of the abdomen. This remedy is recommended also for typhoid fever, which is also a worm disease. The medicine is Santonine dose, 3 grains, an hour before breakfast; repeated for four mornings, or until all the symptoms disappear. Then one dose per month for three months to eradicate all germs.
-- Watchtower 1913 July 1 p. 200 A Cure for Surface Cancer
We have recently learned of a very effective and simple remedy for cancers which show themselves on the surface of the body. The recipe has come to us free and we are willing to communicate the formula, but only to those who are troubled with surface cancers and who will write to us directly, stating particulars.
-- The Golden Age 1919 November 26 p.153
Even years ago it was known by some people that the use of pacifiers (dummies) by babies is one of the chief causes of diseased and enlarged tonsils and adenoid growths, which results from the suction.
-- The Golden Age, Jan. 16, 1924, p. 250
It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs.
-- The Golden Age, April 22, 1925, p. 454
I HAVE named this new discovery, which I believe will be epochal in the history of the treatment of disease, and which I am exclusively announcing in THE GOLDEN AGE prior to its general publication elsewhere, The Electronic Radio Biola, which means life renewed by radio waves or electrons. The Biola automatically diagnoses and treats diseases by the use of the electronic vibrations. The diagnosis is 100 percent correct, rendering better service in this respect than the most experienced diagnostician. This is a great step forward, marking the Biola as the most valuable treatment apparatus obtainable today, and well worthy of notice in the columns of a magazine like THE GOLDEN AGE...
-- The Golden Age 1926 Apr 7 p.438}
Tonsillectomy is called a minor operation. If so, getting well is a double major. If any overzealous doctor condemns your tonsils go and commit suicide with a case-knife. It's cheaper and less painful.
-- The Golden Age, Nov. 28, 1928, p. 133
All human ailments have their start in the intestines.
-- The Golden Age 1929 November 12 p. 107
If the organs [of your body] are diseased, heal them by correcting your diet. Avoid the use of aluminum cooking utensils and alum baking powders as they are injurious to your health, poisoning your blood stream... Sleep on the right side or flat on your back, with the head toward the north so as to get benefit of the earth's magnetic currents. Avoid serum inoculations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.... Stop chewing gum, as you need the saliva for your food.
-- The Golden Age 1933 September 13 p.777
The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing.
-- Golden Age 1931/1934 December 19 p.187
Appendicitis: Take one ounce each of elder blossom, peppermint and yarrow and simmer in three pints of water. Take a wineglassful every fifteen minutes. Do not be afraid of the perspiration caused, or if you vomit.
-- The Golden Age, July 5, 1935, p. 632
HOW many people know, I wonder, of the curative properties of olive oil. The word "cure" is a strong term.... I personally know of more than one being relieved of liver trouble, and even cured of gall stones, by the use of olive oil.... A friend who for years has suffered pain in the region of the appendix was entirely relieved by the oil treatments.
-- The Golden Age 1936 September 23 p.828
Do not use X-Rays... they are destructive and sure to harm the grandchildren of those exposed to them.
-- Watchtower 1952 February 1 pp.95-6 Questions from Readers
For the sake of the record, let us say that we are not medical advisers.
We are not professionally trained doctors, and do not advise on health matters except as they may involve Scriptural issues, such as in the case of blood transfusions.
(Note: And even that advice changes.)
DANIELS IMAGE - 10 TOES
w59 5/15 p.313 ar.36 (10 Toes HAS a meaning)"The number ten being a Biblical number symbolizing earthly completeness, the ten toes picture all such coexisting powers and governments."
w78 6/15 p.13 Human Governments Crushed by God’s Kingdom (10 Toes has NO meaning)
"There does not appear to be any prophetic significance to the image’s having ten toes. This is a natural human feature, just as the image has two arms, two legs, and so forth."
w85 7/1 p.31 Questions From Readers (10 Toes HAS a meaning)
"Various views have been expressed about the ten "toes." But since "ten" is often used in the Bible to signify completeness as to things on earth, the ten "toes" appear logically to represent the entire global system of rulership at the culmination of the days"
w12 6/15 p.14 Jehovah Reveals What "Must Shortly Take Place" (10 Toes has NO meaning)
Para 11. "when describing the image, Daniel does not mention the number of toes. Therefore, the number seems no more significant than the fact that the image had multiple arms, hands, fingers, legs, and feet."
THE REVELATION NAMES "APOLLYON" AND "ABADDON"
Refers to Satan - The Finished Mystery, p.159
Refers to Jesus Christ - Then Is Finished the Mystery of God, p.232SEPARATING OF THE SHEEP AND THE GOATS (Matt 25:31-46)
Prior to 1923: Separating the sheep from the goats is a future event taking place after the tribulation.
1923-1995: The separating of the sheep and the goats began in 1914 and is currently taking place.
1995-current: Separating the sheep from the goats is a future event taking place after the tribulation.WHO IS TO BLAME FOR DOMESTIC ABUSE?
w63 9/15 p. 571 When Marriage Ties Are at the Breaking Point - The Abused
The Christian may find that there are things she can do to avoid outbursts of anger on the part of her mate, thus making the situation endurable.
w10 6/15 p. 30 Coping With a Spouse’s Betrayal - The Abuser
If a marriage mate establishes a record of abusive speech or actions, it is the guilty party who must answer to Jehovah. Jehovah condemns violence and abusive speech, so there is never any legitimate reason for treating a mate with such a gross lack of love and respect
w12 2/15 p. 29 par. 12 Happiness Is Possible in a Divided Household - The Abused
The night before, Steve had hit me as I had tried to prove a point, and I was feeling sad and sorry for myself... Realizing that I needed to adjust my thinking, I prayed to Jehovah to help me be more loving toward Steve
Awake! 4/13 p. 9 - The Abuser
They erroneously believe that they [the abused] are to blame.
ASKING FOR DONATIONS
*** km 12/06 p. 5 Question Box ***
The second issue of the Watch Tower, August 1879, said this about our refusal to imitate the churches and solicit funds: "Zion's Watch Tower has, we believe JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: 'All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,' fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication."
*** WT Nov 2012 p.8-9. based on Galatians 2:10 "Only we should keep the poor in mind."
Box: "How some choose to contribute to the worldwide work":
- · OUTRIGHT DONATIONS
- · CONDITIONAL DONATION ARRANGEMENT
- · CHARITABLE PLANNING
- · Insurance
- · Bank Accounts
- · Stocks and Bonds
- · Real Estate
- · Gift Annuity
- · Wills and Trusts
and a reference to the publication Charitable Planning to Benefit Kingdom Service Worldwide
DIVORCE ALLOWED FOR HOMOSEXUALITY/BESTIALITY?
1956 - No : WT56 10/1 p.591 par.20
"Sodomy (the unnatural intercourse of one male with another male as with a female), lesbianism (the homosexual relations between women), and bestiality (the unnatural sexual relations by man or woman with an animal) are not Scriptural grounds for divorce."
1972 - No : WT72 1/1 p.32
"While both homosexuality and bestiality are disgusting perversions, in the case of neither one is the marriage tie broken. It is broken only by acts that make an individual "one flesh" with a person of the opposite sex other than his or her legal marriage mate."
1972 - YES : w72 12/15 p. 767 Questions From Readers
"Does this mean that unnatural and perverted sexual relations such as those engaged in by homosexuals are included in the meaning of this term used by the apostle in recording Jesus’ words? Yes, that is the case... This clearly marks a correction in the view expressed on previous occasions in the columns of this magazine."
1983 - YES : WT83 3/15 p.30
So, then, "fornication" in the broad sense, and as used at Matthew 5:32 and 19:9, evidently refers to a broad range of unlawful or illicit sex relations outside marriage. Porneia involves the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human (whether in a natural or a perverted way); also, there must have been another party to the immorality—a human of either sex, or a beast."
DIVORCE ALLOWED FOR PORNEIA BETWEEN MARRIAGE MATES?
YES - w74 11/15 p. 704 Questions From Readers
YES - Both can be disfellowshipped - w74 11/15 p. 704 Questions From Readers
YES - But no longer a disfellowshipping offense - w78 2/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers
YES - w78 2/15 pp. 31-32 Questions From Readers
NO - w83 3/15 p. 31 Honor Godly Marriage!
No-one else's business! - w83 3/15 p. 31 Honor Godly Marriage!
WHO CAN COUNT TIME ON A FAMILY BIBLE STUDY?
One Parent - km 11/03 p. 3 Question Box
Both Parents - km 9/08 p. 3 Question Box
WHO'S ORGANIZATION?
*** w50 7/1 p. 204 Steps Toward Life ***
Fleeing from Satan’s organization and seeking refuge under Christ’s organization means that such a one acknowledges the Lord Jesus Christ and asks Christ to take him in.
*** w50 10/15 p. 382 "Be Fruitful, Multiply, Fill the Earth" ***
And what is that provision? It is God’s organization...
*** w52 4/15 p. 250 par. 7 Aids for Understanding Prophecy ***
Finally, in Revelation 7:4-8 there are listed the twelve tribes of spiritual Israel which comprise Christ’s theocratic kingdom organization.
*** w52 3/1 p. 143 par. 20 Propriety of Disfellowshiping ***
there is no reason that he should be overly sad thinking that he could never get into God’s organization again
*** w58 7/15 p. 445 par. 16 Beware that You Do Not Lose Your Place! ***
your proper place is—under Christ’s easy yoke of service, pulling with him and his organization
*** w59 8/15 p. 486 The Festival of Freedom ***
Christ’s blood does not mean deliverance to unbelievers outside God’s organization
ADAM'S SKIN COLOUR
He was Black - The Golden Age, November 28, 1928, pages 157, 158
He was red / We don't know -w76 4/15 p. 255 Questions From Readers
"Consequently, Adam’s skin may have been reddish, or it may not have been. Since the basic relationship between adam (Adam, man) and adamah (ground) at Genesis 2:7 stressed that Adam was an earthling, from the ground, his skin color could have been any of the various hues we find today among peoples earth wide."
JOHANNES GREBER (SPIRITUALIST) IS A QUOTABLE SOURCE FOR THE WTBTS
NO - w55 10/1 p. 603 par. 33 Part 3—What Do the Scriptures Say About "Survival After Death"?
NO - w56 2/15 p. 110 par. 10 Triumphing over Wicked Spirit Forces
YES - w62 9/15 p. 554 par. 5 "The Word"—Who Is He? According to John
YES - w75 10/15 p. 640 Questions From Readers
YES - w76 4/15 p. 231 Insight on the News
NO - w83 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers
OK TO RE-USE RELIGIOUS BUILDINGS FOR K.HALLS?
YES: -- w02 10/15 p. 27 Questions From Readers
Would it be a form of interfaith to purchase a building from another religious group and convert it into a Kingdom Hall?
[Picture on page 27]This building, which was a synagogue, was purchased and renovated into a Kingdom Hall
NO: -- w99 3/15 p. 24 Building on Pagan Foundation
AMONG the many impressive monuments that are visited by tourists to Rome, Italy, is the Pantheon. The Pantheon was originally a pagan temple, a "place for all gods," which is the meaning of the original Greek word. Today, it is still considered a Roman Catholic church.
It ought to be obvious, however, that changing the dedication of a temple or the name of a celebration is not sufficient to transform the ‘worship of devils into the service of the true God.’ "What agreement does God’s temple have with idols?" asked the apostle Paul. "‘Get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’
YES: -- g96 9/8 p. 31 Why the Chapels Are Closing
The list serves as an epitome of the collapse of religion’s influence, not only in Wales but in many parts of Europe. Sixty-eight chapels were listed as "now demolished." One that was not listed, in Penygraig, was converted many years ago into a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses for the flourishing Rhondda Congregation.
THE CORRECT VIEW OF ELABORATE PLACES OF WORSHIP
BAD - w53 5/1 p. 260 Why Maturity Is Lacking
BAD - w67 4/15 p. 245 The Most Urgent Warning Ever Given
BAD - g70 5/22 p. 21 Eye-catching Architecture—Ancient and Modern
BAD - w82 9/15 p. 19 par. 7 High Time to Flee!
GOOD - g85 10/22 A Historic Landmark Becomes an Assembly Hall for Jehovah’s Witnesses
GOOD - g85 10/22 p. 25 A Historic Landmark Becomes an Assembly Hall for Jehovah’s Witnesses
GOOD - g85 10/22 p. 27 A Historic Landmark Becomes an Assembly Hall for Jehovah’s Witnesses
Not only has its former glory been restored but it has been enhanced. Its greatest function now will be its use to reflect the glory of the Sovereign Lord and Creator of the universe, Jehovah God.
GOOD - yb87 p. 3 1987 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses
GOOD - w87 12/1 p. 22 Graduation of the 83rd Gilead Class Truly a Festive Occasion
BAD - w88 4/1 p. 16 par. 5 Christendom Exposed as the Promoter of False Worship
They love to exalt their cathedrals, basilicas, temples, and churches, boasting about their antiquity and their architecture, as if these gave them some special standing with God. They even say that their religious edifices were built ‘to the glory of God.’
BAD - g01 6/8 p. 15 Cathedrals—Monuments to God or Men?
BAD - g02 2/8 p. 30 From Our Readers
INDEPENDENT THINKING
Is Bad - w52 8/15 p. 501 Individual Bible study, certainly! Independent Bible study, beware!
Is Good - w57 8/1 p.469 par.7 "Moreover, people today are developing an aversion to thinking.Is Good - w58 8/1 p.460 "Irish people do very little independent thinking. They are victims of the clergy and fear"
Is Bad - w60 2/15 p.106 par.6 "it follows that one should reject the goal of independent thinking"
Is Good - w72 3/15 P.170 par.7
Is Bad - w77 10/1 p.605
Is Good - Awake! 78 8/22 p.4
Is Bad - w79 2/15 p.20 par.
Is Good - Awake! 80 1/8 p.13
Is Bad - w83 p.27 section heading "Fight Against Independent Thinking" par.22 says it's "demonic"
Is Good - KM 3/95 p.6 par.17 "it is highly valuable to learn how to think. "
Is Bad - w98 5/15 p.26
Is Good - Awake! 99 1/8 p.11
Is Bad - w06 7/15 P.22 Par.14 "some fall into the trap of independent thinking"
Is Bad - w11 7/15 p. 28 par. 17
w01 8/1 p. 14 par. 8 goes so far as to say that you can't even harbour private doubts:
SHOULD WE EXAMINE OUR BELIEFS?
YES - Millions now living will Never Die (1920) page 13
YES - w54 4/15 p. 230 How God Gives Faith
YES - Watchtower, May 1, 1958 p.261; Is Your Religion the Right One? " It is important...that you "keep testing whether you are in the faith," as Paul declared. Keep checking to see whether the things you believe are in keeping with God's Word. But the question is, Are you willing to put your religion through such a test? There is nothing to fear, because if you have the right religion you can only be reassured by the examination. And if what you believe is not in keeping with the Bible, then you should welcome the truth, because it leads to light and life."
YES - w64 4/1 p. 195
YES -The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1968, p. 13
YES - Awake 73 10/22 p. 6 Examine the Evidence
YES - g84 8/22 p. 28 From Our Readers
NO - w86 3/15 p. 12 par. 7 'Do Not Be Quickly Shaken From Your Reason'
You may even reason: 'It won’t affect me; I’m too strong in the truth. And, besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test.' In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt.
YES - w89 1/15 p. 6 Are You Open to New Ideas?
YES - w91 4/8 p.23
YES - w01 4/15 p. 21
YES - w02 4/1 p. 3 Should Faith Be Based on Reason?
YES - Watchtower, February 1, 2003, p.32
YES - Awake 9/06 p. 3 Whom Should You Believe?
NO - km 9/07 p.3
That'll do for now.
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TTATT in a can
by ILoveTTATT inso... i have been working on an excel spreadsheet that has "ttatt in a can"... i have it both in spanish and in english.
here's a preview:.
category / year1879188018901891name?bible studentsbible students "time of the end" starts in the year?17991799 "parousia" (presence)?18741874 jesus enthroned?18781878 end of the harvest?19141914 earthly resurrection?
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Here are a few more for you, you'll have to forgive the formatting!
WHO IS THE 'LORD' AS MENTIONED IN ROMANS 10:12-16
1903 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
1940 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.
1978 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
1980 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.
DID THE EDENIC SERPENT HAVE LEGS?
YES - w64 6/1 p. 352 Questions From Readers
It, therefore, is reasonable to conclude that before God cursed it the serpent possessed legs that elevated it above the ground.
NO - po (1974) chap. 5 p. 59 pars. 15-16 God’s “Eternal Purpose” in His Anointed One Is Formed
"Upon your belly you will go and dust is what you will eat." This was not a curse upon the whole serpent family. Seemingly God’s words were addressed to that one literal serpent.
NO - w07 6/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers
The Bible does not specifically state that the animal used in tempting Eve had previously had legs but lost them. While the wording of Genesis 3:14 might lead some to think so, we need not necessarily conclude that prior to this curse, serpents had legs.
TAKING A 'FIRM STAND' ON THE MEDICAL USE OF BLOOD FRACTIONS/PROCEDURES
1940 Blood transfusions are acceptable1945 Blood transfusion are not acceptable
(Can we accept clotting factors, albumin, hemoglobin, stored blood etc.?)
NO – Awake! Sept. 8, 1956 Awake, p. 20
YES - The Watchtower Sept. 15, 1958, p. 575
NO – The Watchtower Sept. 15, 1961, p.558 para.16YES - The Watchtower Nov 15, 1964, p.682 para.3
NO - Awake! Feb 22, 1975, p.30 "Hemophilia Treatment Hazard"
YES - The Watchtower Jun 15, 1978, p.30 "Are serum injections compatible with Christian belief?"
NO - Blood Brochure 1990 p.27 para.7
YES -The Watchtower, June 15, 2004, p.23 para.16CAN DISFELLOWSHIPPED PARTAKE OF THE EMBLEMS?
NO - w56 6/15 p. 383 Questions From Readers
A disfellowshiped person is no member of Jehovah’s congregation and may not be served the emblems by those serving at the celebration of the Lord’s evening meal.
YES - w58 8/1 p. 478 Questions From Readers
It is not for you or anyone serving the Memorial emblems to act as the judge, but to allow the emblems to go to anyone in the audience as these are passed along in the normal manner of letting each one have the opportunity to partake.
NO - w60 4/1 p. 224 Questions From Readers
Disfellowshiped persons are not welcome. Should they attend and partake, they would not be counted.
YES - w76 2/1 p. 76 “Keep Doing This in Remembrance of Me”
Those counted as partakers are those known as faithful, baptized servants of God. We do not invite disfellowshiped persons to attend. But if such a one is present, there is no reason to be disturbed if he is seated in a row with others and proceeds to partake of the emblems.
CAN SAY "HELLO" TO A DISFELLOWSHIPPED MEMBER?
1970 NO WT 6/1/70 p.352
1972 NO Organization for Kingdom Preaching..., 1972, p.172
1974 YES WT 8/1/74 pp.464,4651974 YES WT 74 8/1 p. 471 par. 21 - 22
1981 NO WT 9/15/81 p.25
2013 jw.org Feb 2013 - Shunning is bullying
LECITHIN
May be derived from blood so ask the manufacturer -
w63 2/15 p. 123 Carry Your Own Load of Responsibility
For example, while lecithin is found in blood, it is also derived from soybeans, which happen to be the common commercial source of most lecithin. If there is doubt about a product, it is up to the individual to investigate by inquiring of the manufacturer. The substance may have been derived from blood or it may not.
Is not derived from blood - no need to ask the manufacturer -
w79 3/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers
some Christians have refused to eat any product having lecithin listed as an ingredient. Others have felt compelled to write to manufacturers to check on the source of the lecithin used in certain foods... there is no reason for any manufacturer to seek to have lecithin extracted from blood
WHO ARE THE 'GLORIOUS ONES' (2Pe 2:10)?
All anointed - w60 9/1 p. 539 par. 14 Awake Worshipers in the Time of the End
The “glorious ones” here referred to are not any who are bright and shining in their own eyes or who are glorious in the eyes of others due to their personal achievements. Those who are the brothers of the King Jesus Christ have been selected as heirs of the heavenly kingdom—a glorious privilege indeed!
All anointed - w65 10/1 p. 592 par. 7 Execution of Divine Judgment upon the Ungodly
Who are these “glorious ones”? They must be those who receive glory from Jehovah God and his Lord of lords, Jesus Christ. According to Isaiah 60:1, 2, Jehovah’s “own glory” would be conferred upon the remnant of spiritual Israel, the anointed Christians.
Elders - w79 1/15 p. 25 Why Keep Free from Murmuring?
They were individuals who were “disregarding lordship and speaking abusively of glorious ones,” or responsible men in the congregation.
Elders - w80 1/15 p. 19 par. 10 Are You a Loyal Subject of God’s Government?
Further describing them, the apostle says: “Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble at glorious ones [persons entrusted with oversight within God’s congregation] but speak abusively.”
Anointed elders - w82 8/15 p. 28 pars. 14-15 Heed the ‘Warnings Placed Before Us’!
Those ungodly persons also spoke abusively of “glorious ones” (literally, “of glories”), evidently those who had certain glory conferred upon them by Jehovah God and Jesus Christ... 15 Certainly, those of Christ’s anointed followers who serve faithfully as appointed Christian overseers have had glory, or honor, conferred upon them.
Anointed elders - w89 9/15 p. 22 par. 8 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead
Surely, we do not want to be like the “ungodly men” of Jude’s day who ‘disregarded lordship and spoke abusively of glorious ones,’ anointed Christian elders with God-given glory, or honor, conferred upon them.
Anointed elders - w91 4/15 p. 31 Beware of Apostates!
Unlike the archangel Michael, who would not even bring a judgment against the Devil in abusive terms, the ungodly men spoke abusively of “glorious ones,” evidently those with certain glory conferred upon them by God and Christ as anointed elders.
Elders - w97 9/1 pp. 15-16 pars. 13-14 Beware of False Teachers!
Jude writes that “these men, . . . indulging in dreams, are defiling the flesh . . . and speaking abusively of glorious ones.” (2 Peter 2:10; Jude 8) In what sense, though, do they “look down on lordship” and speak “abusively of glorious ones”? 14 They do so in that they despise divinely constituted authority. Christian elders represent the glorious Jehovah God and his Son and, as a result, have certain glory conferred upon them. True, they make mistakes, as did Peter himself, but the Scriptures urge members of the congregation to be submissive to such glorious ones.
Elders - w98 6/1 p. 17 par. 10 “Put Up a Hard Fight for the Faith”!
But if we dwell on their faults and undermine respect for them, might we be “speaking abusively of glorious ones”? In verse 10, Jude mentions those who “are speaking abusively of all the things they really do not know.” Some will, at times, criticize a decision made by a body of elders or a judicial committee.
Elders - w08 11/15 p. 22 par. 9 Highlights From the Letters of James and of Peter
While “glorious ones,” that is, Christian elders, have faults and may err at times, we must not speak abusively of them.
THE "ALPHA AND OMEGA"OF REVELATION 22:12 REFERS TO...
Jesus - Light (1930) p. 268Jehovah - WT 53 1/1 p. 31
Jesus - WT 55 7/1 p. 387
An angel (speaking for Jehovah) - Awake! 66 6/8 p. 28
Jehovah - WT 67 11/15 p. 680
Jehovah - Awake! 8/22/78 p.28
Jesus - WT 10/1/78 p.15 ( A major change in just 2 months!)Jehovah - Revelation Grand Climax (1988) p. 316 para. 6
Jehovah - WT 99 12/1 p. 19
Jesus - WT 03 12/15 p. 21
Jehovah - WT 09 1/15 p.30
ROMANS 13:1 - WHO ARE THE "SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES?"
1886 - Earthly governments - Divine Plan of the Ages, 1886, p.266
1889 - Earthly governments - Time Is At Hand, 1889, p.81
1932 - God and Christ - Vindication, Vol. 3, 1932, p.131943 - God and Christ - The Truth Shall Make You Free, 1943, p.312
1951 - God and Christ - w51 1/1 p. 21 "a heavy weight was lifted from his people"!
1959 - God and Christ - Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, p.91
1963 - Earthly political governments - WT 1/1/63 p.31
1975 - Earthly political governments - 1975 Yearbook, p.2381980 - Earthly political governments - WT 5/15/80 p.4
HOW MANY 'KEYS OF THE KINGDOM'?
Up until October 1979 there were TWO. The 1st for the Jews, the 2nd for the Gentiles.
After 1979 there were THREE. The 1st for the Jews, the 2nd for the Samaritans, the 3rd for the Gentiles.
WHO IS "THE TRUE LORD?"
Jesus Christ WT 9-15-83 p.19
Jehovah God WT 7-1-89 p.30TO WHOM DOES 2COR 11:13 APPLY?
(2Co 11:13) 'For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.'
Misinformed religionists - w51 5/15 p. 309 par. 10 Leaves of Healing
False apostles in the congregation - w51 5/1 p. 272 par. 13 The Prayer of Faith During Sickness
Those in the Lord’s organization - w52 8/15 p. 501 par. 16 God’s Spirit Essential to Maturity
The clergy in general - w53 5/1 p. 263 “Keeping a Tight Grip on the Word of Life”
Spiritualists - w56 2/15 p. 112 par. 13 Triumphing over Wicked Spirit Forces
Satan's ministers - w57 9/15 p. 550 The Great Contest
False religious guides - w57 8/15 p. 503 par. 14 The Fight of Faith of the Peaceable
Roman Catholic priests - w58 9/15 p. 574 Is Catholic Action Christian?
Jesus' appointed overseers - w58 1/15 p. 47 par. 25 Overseers in Apocalyptic Times
The leaders of Christendom - w60 7/15 p. 420 The Truth Shall Stand
Religious zealots - w61 8/1 p. 454 Satan—the Genius of Deception
Religious Christendom - w61 7/1 p. 398 par. 27 Right Associations Lead to Life
The Pope - w68 7/15 p. 446 The Pope Is Not Infallible
Supposedly Christian religions - w68 3/1 p. 136 The Devil Is “the Ruler of the World”
False religious organizations - w69 2/15 p. 103 The Last Days of This Wicked System of Things
Congregation of God’s people - w72 3/15 p. 192 Questions From Readers
Christendom - w75 12/1 p. 729 par. 5 What Does It Mean to Be a “Minister”?
Religious leaders - w75 4/15 p. 253 Rebellion Against God Comes to Light
Ambitious men - w78 5/1 p. 22 par. 5 “Roll Your Works upon Jehovah”
Fellow worshipers of Jehovah - w79 8/15 p. 4 To Whom Does It Apply?
Present-day Christendom - w81 5/1 p. 14 par. 9 Which Organization—Jehovah’s or Satan’s?
The members of Jehovah’s family - w82 6/1 p. 19 par. 13 Loyally Submitting to Theocratic Order
Seemingly benevolent religious and political fronts - w83 6/15 p. 26 Insight on the News
False brothers in the congregation - w84 2/1 p. 23 par. 8 ‘Oneness of Spirit’ in a Rapidly Growing Flock
Apostates - w86 3/15 p. 14 par. 15 ‘Do Not Be Quickly Shaken From Your Reason’
The Christian congregation - w88 9/1 p. 3 Satan—Is He Real?
Apostates - w90 8/15 p. 16 par. 6 Loyally Working With Jehovah
False religion - w90 2/1 p. 24 par. 17 Exposing “the Man of Lawlessness”
The clergy - w90 2/1 p. 11 par. 10 Identifying “the Man of Lawlessness”
The clergy class of Christendom - w94 7/1 p. 5 A Divided Church—Can It Survive?
The “evil slave,” - w00 10/15 p. 9 Should You Investigate Other Religions?
Apostates - w02 3/1 p. 11 par. 14 Divine Light Dispels Darkness!
Propagandists - w03 7/15 p. 22 Think Straight—Act Wisely
False brothers - w03 5/15 p. 11 par. 6 Christ Speaks to the Congregations
“Babylon the Great” - w06 12/1 p. 6 The Antichrist Exposed
Churches of Christendom - w06 9/1 p. 5 Religion—What Good Does It Do?
False religion - w12 5/1 p. 16 What Is the Good News About Religion?
HOW TO REMOVE A TATTOO
Use salt - g72 2/8 p. 29 Watching the World
A simple method for removing an unwanted tattoo has been developed by Dr. F. W. Crittenden, Jr., a U.S. Navy dermatologist. He rubs the tattoo with salt.
Don't use salt - g89 10/8 p. 29 Watching the World
In an attempt to remove an embarrassing tattoo, some have tried sandpapering, freezing, burning, and even rubbing salt into the tattoo to wear the skin away.
JESUS HAS A BEARD?
YES - (1914) Photodrama of Creation (pictures) p.57, 58, 61, 88:
NO - w54 8/15 p. 511 Questions From Readers
Watch Tower publications show Jesus as beardless and with short hair because he is shown that way in representations of him that are older than the traditional effeminate-looking picture... The photograph of this church window... shows a cross with a young man nailed to it, beardless and with short hair, to represent "Christ crucified, but triumphant."... Since the Bible does not describe Jesus’ facial appearance or indicate he had a beard of length, we follow the oldest archaeological evidence rather than the later traditional view.
YES - w68 5/1 p. 286 Questions From Readers
Biblical evidence is the most reliable testimony to be found on this question, and a recent careful review of what it says indicates that Jesus did indeed have a beard.
NO - (1986) Worldwide Security under the Prince of Peace (picture) p.164:
YES -(2012) Good News From God (brochure picture) p.9:
MUST YOU MARRY "ONLY IN THE LORD"? (1COR 7:39)
YES - w51 6/15 p. 371 par. 3 Free Moral Agency and the Word
Each Christian is free to marry, but "only in the Lord".
NO - w52 7/1 p. 414 Questions From Readers
If one in the truth wishes to marry someone who is not, it is his responsibility and his decision to make... it is his personal choice and others need not interfere.
YES - w52 3/15 p. 191 Questions From Readers
For a Christian to unequally yoke himself up with an unbeliever is not conducive to Christian welfare. Such deliberate and willful endangerment of one’s Christian welfare and spiritual interests is not pleasing to God or Christ, is a flouting of Jehovah’s counsel and command.
WHO REPLACED JUDAS AS THE 12TH APOSTLE?
Paul - w51 12/15 p. 763 Questions From Readers
Paul - w57 7/15 p. 423 Do the Apostles Have Successors?
Matthias - w71 11/15 p. 688 par. 3 Appointed Officers in the Theocratic Organization
Matthias - w71 5/15 p. 320 Questions From Readers
ADAMS CREATION DATE
1935 : 4028 BC on Friday March 21st at 3:00am! - Golden Age March 13th 1935 p.382
1935 to 1944 : 4028 BC - w55 2/1 Questions From Readers p.94
1944 to 1953: 4026 BC - The Truth Shall Make You Free p.150 - 151
1953- 1967 : 4025 BC - New Heavens and a New Earth Chart p.364
1967 - present : 4026 BC - w67 7/15 p.446
WHO ARE 'ORDAINED MINISTERS'?
1950 - All baptized persons - g95 5/22 p.22 'I Was Convinced I Had Found The Meaning Of Life' par. 2
1951 - All dedicated persons, even before baptism - w51 11/1 p.672 Questions From Readers
1952 - All publishers - w52 1/1 p.18 par. 17
1954 - All baptized persons - w54 3/1 'The Meaning of Baptism' p.139
1955 - All publishers - w55 12/15 p.742 par.6
1955 - All dedicated persons - w55 11/1 p.665 par.10 & 13 and p.670 par.27
1957 - All baptized persons - w57 8/15 p.487 'Recognised and Certified by Man' par.4
1961 - All publishers - w61 1/1 p.18 par.5
1962 - All baptized persons - w62 10/15 p.626 'Who Ordains Jehovah's Witnesses?' par.1
1975 - Only men with responsibilities in the cong - WT 75 12/1 p.733 par. 22
1976 - Only men with responsibilities in the cong - 05/1976 KM Question Box
1981 - All baptized persons, specifically including women - w81 3/15 'Who Are God's Ministers?' p.15 par.3
1984 - All dedicated persons - Song Book (1984) Song 202 To God We Are Dedicated
1987 onwards - All baptized persons - w87 5/15 'Zealous at 70 Years of Age' p.27 par.2
WOMEN CAN BE MINISTERIAL SERVANTS
YES - WT50 4/15 p.122 par.9 (based on 'Dia'konos' in Rom 16:1; 1Tim 3:8-11)
Only if there are not enough brothers - WT64 4/1 p.208 par.10 ('apparently')
NO - km 1/76 p.5 par.2 ('evidently')
NO - Awake! 77 8/8 "Women in the Pulpit" p.27 par.7 ('apparently')
YES but unofficially - WT80 9/15 p.23 par.10 ('evidently')
NO - WT81 3/15 "Female Ministers" p.18 ('obviously')
NO - Insight Vol 2 (1988) P.635 'Phoebe'. ('evidently')
Omit and ignore the problematic text - WT05 1/15 "Follow the course of hospitality" par.5 p.23
NO - WT07 1/15 "Women enjoy Fine Privileges" par.5 p.6
IS CHESS A SAFE GAME TO PLAY?
NO - g73 3/22 p. 14 Chess—What Kind of Game Is It?
YES - g79 1/22 p. 10 Playing Indoor Games
NO - g94 1/22 p. 29 Watching the World
YES - g96 9/22 p. 22 How Can I Have a Good Time?
WHO IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL?
An angel, not the Son of God - Zion's Watch Tower 1879, November p.4
The Papacy - Zion's Watch Tower 1879 December p.6
Jesus, not an angel - Zion's Watch Tower March, 1883, p.456The Pope of Rome - The Finished Mystery, 1917 p.188 and 1926 Edition, p.188
Jesus Christ, the Son of God - 1930's onwards (see Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1985, p.218)WHAT YEAR WAS THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS PROPOSED?
1918 - w53 9/15 p. 562 par. 19 Flight to Safety with the New World Society
1918 - w58 10/15 p. 630 par. 16 Public Address: God’s Kingdom Rules—Is the World’s End Near?
1919 - w59 3/1 p. 142 par. 30 Warnings of Jehovah’s Unusual Work
1919 - w59 9/15 p. 573 Part 22—“Your Will Be Done on Earth”
1918 - w59 10/1 p. 597 Part 23—“Your Will Be Done on Earth”
1918 - w60 2/1 p. 88 par. 31 Part 31—“Your Will Be Done on Earth”
1919 - w64 12/15 p. 745 par. 20 “Do Not Become Fearful of Those Who Kill the Body”
1918 - w66 6/1 p. 345 Can You Avoid the Mark of the Beast?
1919 - w66 8/15 p. 499 Image Worship Brings Incurable Disease
1918 - w67 1/15 p. 55 par. 16 The Modern Fulfillment of the “Penny”
1918 - w70 12/1 p. 722 par. 10 The Desolating of Christendom by the “Disgusting Thing”
1918 - w71 9/15 p. 560 par. 8 Set Apart from the World
1918 - w72 3/15 p. 189 Wanted—a Messenger
1918 - w74 12/15 p. 761 par. 15 Benefits and Rewards from Being Spiritually Secure
1919 - go (1977) chap. 8 p. 136 par. 35 Marked Days During the “Time of the End”
1918 - w79 10/15 p. 14 par. 12 Sustained by the Millennial Hope
1918 - w79 7/1 p. 7 Keeping Watch for 100 Years
1919 - w80 5/15 p. 19 par. 14 “Get Out of Her, My People”
1918 - w81 6/15 p. 20 par. 3 “Welcome One Another”
1919 - w82 11/15 p. 5 Flee While There Is Yet Time!
1918 - w85 2/1 p. 14 par. 3 Seeing the “Sign” With Understanding
1918 - w85 2/1 p. 12 par. 19 Who Can Read the “Sign” Aright?
1918 - w87 9/1 p. 20 par. 11 On Guard Against “Peace and Security” as Devised by Nations
1919 - w93 11/1 p. 11 par. 15 Daniel’s Prophetic Days and Our Faith
1919 - dp (1999) chap. 17 p. 300 par. 22 Identifying True Worshipers in the Time of the End
1919 - dx86-12 (2012) Dates (Calendar)
WHAT IS "THE SIN THAT EASILY ENTANGLES US" (HEB 12:1)?
entanglement with old world pursuits - w56 6/1 p. 341 par. 15 Keep Pace with the New World Society
distractions, possessions - w58 9/15 p. 565 par. 20 Keep Your Eyes on the Prize
lack of faith - w59 5/1 p. 267 par. 25 Break Free to Do the “Complete Will of God”
lack of self control - w67 7/1 p. 405 par. 17 Self-Control Vital to Progress
loss of faith - w89 7/15 p. 15 par. 18 Live a Balanced, Simple Life
fear of men - w90 8/1 p. 20 par. 16 Do You Appreciate What God Has Done?
lack of faith - w92 4/1 p. 16 Do You Have Faith Like Elijah’s?
the world’s immorality, and its snares - w96 2/1 p. 8 What Must We Do to Be Saved?
lack of faith - w09 5/1 p. 8 4 Face Your Doubts
carelessness or overconfidence or some distraction - w11 9/15 p. 22 par. 10 “Run That You May Attain It”
Sorry it was so long, though this is just a fraction of their flip flopping teachings.
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What color is your bible?
by Faithful Witness inwhat a great way to divide the sheep and goats, both within and outside the great flock!
jehovah has given us new light.
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Why Watchtower Baptism Is An Ineffective Rite Of Passage
by metatron ina bunch of half naked young people wait in line, holding towels.
their demeanor is commonly that of kids in high school waiting in a cafeteria line.
one by one, they get dunked under water and are thereafter responsible for total sexual fidelity - and a long list of other rules - even though none of them is of the legal age of consent for sexual intercourse - and some of them may not have even hit puberty yet.. are you f**king kidding me?
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Jesus said that baptism is key to being saved.
He did not say that baptism into a religion was necessary, just in the name of the father, son, holy spirit.
Therefore ANY baptism using the method laid down by Jesus is enough to meet the requirement Jesus spoke of.
Next time you attend an assembly or convention, look at the ages of those being baptised as Metatron says, this will tell you where the Soc is focussing its efforts today.
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My bible study last night...holy hell
by DS211 inso last night was my weekly bible study with my wife my friend/elder and his wife.
well like many still asleep the first thing that we talked about was what intrested us about the agm..so the elder goes into the things like how exciting it is and loves all the added crap in the appendixes and the info in the front beause its straight from gods word.
i thought "didnt someone say you shouldnt add anything or take anything away?
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Paraphrasing: "those translators were not among the anointed of Jehovah God whereas all of the NWT translation committee were of the anointed."
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However, Christians who have truly received this anointing do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special insights beyond what even some experienced members of the “great crowd” may have. (Rev. 7:9) They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the “other sheep” have.Splash
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WTS vs Faders????
by El_Guapo inso an elder just dropped by my job, completely out of the blue.
recepitionist called me over and there he was.
he told about annual meerting and grey bible....etc.
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At the AGM the GB did NOT say there will be secret instructions in the near future.
This elder was simply using Theocratic Warfare to try to frighten/pressure/entice you back to the meetings.
My bet is that he has been saying this for years with mixed results.
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