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  The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. medical

  the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

  we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

  in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

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  Witness lists are here

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx
  
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  WT Flip-Flops on Jesus’ Inspection… Was it in 1918 or 1919?... Did the WT PASS or FAIL?

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is utterly ridiculous.... .

  the more i research this particular subject, the more flip-flops i uncover.

  it seems the fds cant even make up their minds regarding what happened in 1918 (or should i say 1919?).

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  I think there have been two more since that first page:

  Inspection year: 1919 Result: Failed Inspection Watchtower Sept 15, 2012 page 25

  Inspection year: 1914 Result: Failed Inspection Watchtower July 15, 2013 page 23

  
  
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  "Don't you love Jehovah anymore then ?"

  by Phizzy in

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  2. beliefs

  mrs phizzy ran into a jw lady from a neighbouring congo who has known us since we were teenagers, before we married, sometime in the pleistocene era lol.. during the conversation said lady asked if mrs phizzy was going to the r.c, to which mrs phizzy replied, "oh you haven't heard, we no longer go to meetings".. the jw lady then came back with the question in the thread title, which mrs phizzy handled well.. the point of this is though, what a god-awful, stupid, cult-minded question to ask !.

  did she think we woke up one morning and thought "we don't love god anymore" ??

  would that happen to anyone ?.

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  I'm pleased Mrs Phizzy handled it well.

  I would probably have said that I still love God but the WT's constantly changing teachings and repeated demands for more money show that they no longer represent God. They have become televangelists which we were always told to stay clear of.
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  Recent Observation: "Even if it's true..."

  by freemindfade in

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  2. beliefs

  has anyone else heard this said more frequently lately?

  "even if it's true..." i have seen it said on here a few times in quotes from in family or friends responding the negative things about the org.. i heard it tuesday night again.

  in a pioneer sisters comment.

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  Excellent Blondie. Same verse, different translations:

  (GNB) Sin offerings are required in the following cases. If you are officially summoned to give evidence in court and do not give information about something you have seen or heard, you must suffer the consequences.

  (GW) The LORD continued, "Now, if you are a witness under oath and won't tell what you saw or what you know, you are sinning and will be punished. "

  (ISV) "If someone sins because he has fails to testify after receiving notice to testify as a witness regarding what he has observed or learned, he is to be held responsible."
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  Did the society official track each member of the 144,000?

  by Bob Loblaw in

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  2. beliefs

  when i left witness land in the early 90's, i remember hearing that out of 144,000 anointed members that there were only 8 to 9 thousand left and then the end will come.. i'm suddenly curious.

  the jw organization is one that puts emphasis on tracking, i.e., regular meeting attendance, current standing, field service hours, territory tracking, return visits, etc.

  therefore, did the society ever try to track each and every member of the 144,000?

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  The simple get-out clause is that not everyone partaking are truly anointed.

  They do not keep track because they can only know the number who partook, not who are truly anointed.
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  BBC radio Prog " The Report" this week on JW Child Abuse

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

  to be broadcast at 20.00 hrs british summer time this thursday, available on bbc i-player shortly after broadcast..

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  Available here

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs
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  Did the society official track each member of the 144,000?

  by Bob Loblaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i left witness land in the early 90's, i remember hearing that out of 144,000 anointed members that there were only 8 to 9 thousand left and then the end will come.. i'm suddenly curious.

  the jw organization is one that puts emphasis on tracking, i.e., regular meeting attendance, current standing, field service hours, territory tracking, return visits, etc.

  therefore, did the society ever try to track each and every member of the 144,000?

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  There is a box on every publishers ministry record card to say if you profess to be one of the anointed or not.

  Here's a copy of one from jwfacts
  
  
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  Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?

  by GodZoo in

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  2. bible

  hi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.

  in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.

  possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.

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  Or we could apply the very latest WT thinking to this account of Daniel and the tree dream, which is that unless there is a clear indication to do so, we do not look for types and antitypes.

  There is no clear indication that this dream meant anything other than Nebuchadnezzar being humbled for 7 years, which happened during Daniels lifetime. Any meaning beyond this is pure conjecture.

  Also thrown into the mix is that the 7 'times' are said to begin in 607 BCE. This start date is wrong.
  Finally, the sign of WW2 is meant to prove this date but in reality we know that WW2 began months before this prophetic date arrives.

  Add this speculative prophecy to an incorrect start date, and you have the foundation for the core JW belief of 1914.

  JW's are told to look at the sign in Mt 24 and particularly note that no individual sign means anything special, only when they all occur together. The same is true for the reasoning about 7 times and 1914.

  If just one part was proved to be wrong then you could maybe explain it away saying "well the rest is true, we just need to understand that one part better".
  When you see that every component part of that interpretation is wrong, it is a sign that you should not believe it.
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  Elderly sister disgusted with obscene Bethel 'Happy Song'

  by Esse quam videri in

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  2. beliefs

  it is reported that one elderly sister in british columbia expressed complete disgust at what she considered an obscene act in the bethel 'happy song'.

  now everything is, of course, subject to perspective.

  i would imagine her perspective is just as valuable as anyone elses.

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  If all I have to explain to God is why I didn't visit bethel, I'll take that.

  I wouldn't want to be in TOMO's shoes for everything he has to explain himself for.
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  I just realized something that I didn't realize before

  by Island Man in

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  jws teach that only the anointed should partake of the emblems at the memorial because they are in the new covenant but the rest of jws are not.. well, if we follow that logic, shouldn't they also teach that only the anointed should pray in jesus' name?

  they teach that jesus is the mediator between jehovah and the anointed only and that the "other sheep" are going to be beneficiaries of the new covenant but are not party to it.

  the exact same reasoning applies to the memorial - the anointed are in the covenant but the "other sheep" are not.

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  Wasn't there a recent WT which said Jesus is the mediator for the 144,000 but is an intercessor for the Great Crowd?

  It was something like that.