Breakfast of Champions, regardless of why these dummies really come up with their idiotic policies, I am glad your wife actually brought it up and that she sees how little sense it makes.
Sauerkraut
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My Wife's Theory
by breakfast of champions indiscussing the recent boe letter regarding child molestation this morning with my wife (she actually brought it up) , and she commented on how absurd it was - it just did not make sense!
but there was one way that it could make sense.
she said "what if someone at the top on the governing body was a child molester and wanted to cover everything up?
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Latest "Shun Your Family" Statement - Jan 2013 Study WT
by LostGeneration insolomon alluded to it yesterday in a thread, i found the online large print pdfs here, not sure where the regular version is yet.
here are the full paragraphs, grab your barf bags .
19 on the other hand, if you choose the path of resentment.
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Sauerkraut
The sad thing isn't what these sick people publish, it's that too many follow these guidelines. And as Londo said, to non JWs they have the galls to say that they don't shun. SICK B*st*rds.
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Jesus=The archangel Michael?
by WatchTowerofBabel in(the first chapter of hebrews seems quite explicit on the issue).
but since scriptural texts don't seem quite enough for my jdub kinfolks (wtf?
), i tried to find out where this poppycock idea first popped up.. .
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Thanks Blondie. Never knew they had such drastically different views of who Michael is. But why am I even surprised?
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There is something that has always bothered me...
by braincleaned init always bothers me that the society boasts unity, as jehovah's witnesses don't have other branches and groups stemming from them, like the amish for example.
the wts is justified to brag unity of belief; to the point where the same program is taught in the whole world.. i blame those who leave and yet continue to believe in jehovah and jesus (i'm an atheist).
it seems a schism is above those who dissent from the org.
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Sauerkraut
The unity is especially enjoyable when you start questioning and having your own opinions about some matters. The unity is only maintained by means of tight control and kicking anyone out who may pose a threat to it, whether intended or not. Forced conformity it is! Some have to pay dearly for it.
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starting fresh
by rather be in hades inwhen you left, did you feel the need to start your life over?
how did you go about reconciling who you were with how you feel now?.
better yet, for those born/raised in, how did that transition affect you and are you ok with who you used to be?.
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There's no reason for shame. Think about all the illusions other people hold on to. I think every single person alive has some kind of illusion they accept and never confront. Many are afraid of looking truths in the eyes, truths about themselves, or their circumstances or their spouse or something else. It's human nature. Sure, we were in a cult, but that doesn't mean we were weak minded. Staying in the cult despite what we've come to know would mean we are weak minded.
It's a whole other story for born ins. We were molded to accept it all from childhood on. We saw some good things and concluded it's all good, it's all true. Being conditioned doesn't mean one is weak minded. We didn't know anything else and the truth appeals to feelings of superiority, we thought we knew it all while all those poor worldly people had no clue. We thought we knew the all the secrets.
A challenge for me is figuring out who I really am. I have no clue right now, also don't know who I can be and want to become. What's also hard is getting rid of that "never going to die" idea and living a responsible life.
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"Friends"
by XBEHERE inwhat can you say about the conditional friendships that being a jehovah's witness promotes?
i am still active and there are many who sh*t on me and tossed me aside because of my attitude change.
to me it just seems too easy for these people to turn on and off affection.
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LostGeneration has an excellent point. JWs are controled by fear, they don't even know it. Now that I'm fading I see how much fear has been "inculcated" into me. There are some Witnesses who genuinely care and have love, who will be good friends, but many are the out of sight out of mind type. You only exist in their world if you're regularly at meetings and in service. They tend to stay away from "weak" ones. It's quite the opposite of what they teach, but they can easily justify these things. The foremost friendship and loyalty belongs to the Organization. Everything else is conditional.
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2012 Annual Meeting: MORE notes...
by Ultimate Reality infrom a reliable source...provides further confirmation on the gb's new status.
these are from the symposium part on the new light.. .
jeoff jackson - how is spiritual food prepared?.
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Sauerkraut
^Absolutely!
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After a couple of days pondering the "new light" FDS change . . .
by leaving_quietly inso, i've had a chance to ponder this "new light" of the change of definition of fds now for a couple of days.
the initial reaction was of astonishment, and just plain anger, and i can see that i'm not alone in that.
however (assuming matt 24:45-47 is prophetic, parable or not):.
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Sauerkraut
Why worry about it ourselves? They have to answer for their actions. We do not. (This statement, of course, is for those who still believe in God and Christ... those who don't, just ignore.)
Sure, they'll be held accountable. Why worry about it? Look at the toll their "food" is taking. It's unhealthy, unbalanced and leads to lots of heartache. Your attitude parallels the "wait on Jehovah" attitude. We have a responsibility to do something about evil if we have the chance. Just tolerating it and looking the other way won't help anyone and quite frankly, I find it selfish. We can't change the world, and we can't change the Org, but we can at least speak up and try to do something whenever we have the chance. I think it's our responsibility. So we may have to answer for the lack of our actions if we choose to do nothing.
Finally, we're all reacting from peoples' notes. They write what they hear, or think they hear. None of this is printed in black and white for all of us to clearly see, analyze and reason on. So, I think it's just prudent to wait and see what they say on the printed page. Then, and only then, does it become an official teaching.
You're right, it still is likely that it's true. It's the culmination of a developement that has been taking place over the past years.
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The reason for the New Light on the FDS
by Badfish innew websites have been popping up such as anointedjw.org in which witnesses who believe they are anointed are spreading the word that anyone can become anointed and go to heaven.. under the previous teaching that all anointed are part of the fds, then these sites would have much more credit because, after all, they are anointed (and therefore part of the fds).. there are copies of numerous letters to the society posted on anointedjw.org, so the society is obviously well aware.. the easiest way for the society to discredit these sites and thus discourage their message is to strip them of their fds status.
now, the fds is only the governing body, not the rest of the anointed..
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You may be right. If so it wasn't a very smart move, Anointedjw have already received e-mails about this rumored change. Those with a little awareness might actually be shaken up by this. It almost looks like the GB are trying hard to get more people to leave, with this change and the latest BOE letter.
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Sauerkraut
You know, I saw a documentary a while ago about our concepts of time, it was explained that time is not as easily definable as we think. And that it is not linear, it doesn't "stream" forward as we are accustomed to think. At least that's what scientists say.