Very frustrating for you, at least you tried. Some people just don't seem bright enough to see a cult even when it's right under their nose.
Xanthippe
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Conversation with my Dad today concerning the Leah Remini show
by joe134cd injoe : i don’t quite know how to tell you this dad.
dad : what daughter .
joe : dont get mad or offensive, but there was a documentary that aired a few nights ago on prime time tv in the usa concerning the jws, and there was some very nasty stuff mentioned, and it certainly wasn’t positive toward the organisation.
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For those who are athest, or non-christian, how did you come to this decision?
by Tameria2001 ini'm not asking this question to cause an argument or accuse, but i am honestly just wondering?
for those of you who are now atheist or non-christian, how did you come to this decision?
i hadn't given this much thought until about a year ago.
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Xanthippe
Hi Tameria, I was a Christian for a couple of years after leaving the JWs but I've always loved science and the evidence for evolution is very strong I found.
Then the arguments for something that's always bothered me my whole life, why does God permit suffering, just started to fall apart. The Christian churches all believe in the Fall of man in the garden of Eden and redemption through Christ's sacrifice.
But when I decided to study for a history degree I saw even more that so much terrible suffering had been permitted by God even after his son gave his life supposedly. What's he waiitng for? Why doesn't he stop it? Giving an answer to Satan as in Job? Oh for goodness sake!
Then I realised the Christian God just isn't there that's why suffering has continued. Plus in my studies the misery caused by the Christian religion in the Middle Ages, the burnings, the torture just appalled me.
Why didn't he even stop his own followers from forcing others to convert by telling them he loves everyone? He's not there, that's my conclusion, but please find your own conclusions. After all humankind has suffered surely we can allow people to believe whatever they want now as long as it doesn't harm others.
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Thank you F&DS @ the Watchtower Corporation! Thank you! Thank you!
by Solzhenitsyn inthis sundays 11/18 wt p.18 pp.3.
/ happy are those who serve "the happy god".
"stressful events-such as when a loved one dies or is disfellowshipped...".
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Xanthippe
Solzhenitsyn that's great news! I'm really happy for you. Of course they class disfellowshipping as stressful as a death, they're taught to treat their family as if they're dead.
Hope your wife's lightbulb moment continues. Let's hope Mrs Solzhenitsyn defects too! See what I did there.
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Dreading the new system of things
by Addison0998 inwas i the only one who secretly dreaded the new system of things a little bit when i was a believing witness?
of course i felt very guilty, because of all the sick and heartbroken people who needed a perfect world to live in.
but there are a lot of nice parts of life i was going to secretly miss.
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Xanthippe
Was I the only one who secretly dreaded the new system of things a little bit when I was a believing witness?
No you weren't the only one. My husband and I wanted to get away from it all when we got into the new system, live a quiet life out in the country, build a house, grow some food, have some babies and keep away from those screwed up, egotistical elders.
We said we would basically avoid all the crazy elders and COs until Jesus sorted them out. Yeah well.....then we realised.
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What are your favorite musical scores in film?
by LoveUniHateExams inhi guys!.
this thread is at least partly inspired by blondie's classical music thread.. i'm not particularly a musical person but i do appreciate good scores in film.. what are your favorites?.
here's a well-known movie score i like .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btdleusg9ew .
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Xanthippe
Love Hans Zimmer's score for Gladiator, particularly Earth
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Favorite Classical Pieces, Sonatas, Concertos, Etudes etc...
by blondie in... filling in holes in my cds.
give me composer, work, key if possible.
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Xanthippe
I love Borodin's, In The Steppes Of Central Asia
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The paranormal.
by Lost in the fog ini know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.
but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.
if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?
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Xanthippe
Xanthippe, so, are you a "believer" or a "non"? Declare yourself, Sire! -Nathan
Sire? Not a reader of classical literature then? Try googling Xanthippe.
are you a "believer" or a "non"? Declare yourself
My post was not ambiguous, merely ironic. I see both sides of the argument for examining the paranormal and totally understand why many don't.
My personal research into the paranormal over thirty years since leaving the cult has led me to the conclusion that mind is more than the brain and therefore the survival of consciousness after death is feasible.
Simon's post here is exactly how I feel
- The paranormal / supernatural is the same as magic - defying normal / rational / provable science
- Many things do seem like magic, defying normal, rational, provable science. It has been like that since the dawn of time. Gradually we have found all things obey the laws of physics, they just seem like magic.
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The paranormal.
by Lost in the fog ini know that a lot of the people on here have turned their backs on the idea of a deity deciding that god does not exist.
but what about the unseen spirit world generally such as poltergeists, jinns, voodoo, etc.
if you have become agnostic, atheist, or just don't care since leaving, do you think that there are spirits out there or have you decided that is also hokum?
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Xanthippe
Once bitten twice shy I'm afraid. People who've had their lives screwed up for decades by religious nonsense are terrified of being taken in again. That's why they won't read a single line on a website or read one book about the paranormal and then they insist there's no evidence.
Then they wheel on the fat magician and say nobody could convince him by doing exactly what he wanted according to his 'scientific' guidelines so he wouldn't give them the million dollars. So that proves it doesn't it! I don't have to read any books or think about it. The magician says there's no evidence so that's that. Nobody wants to be fooled again.
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Bohemian Rhapsody
by cofty inbeen to see the new film (movie) tonight.
outstanding!
brought back lots of memories.
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Xanthippe
I loved the film Bohemian Rhapsody! I remember the song so well in the seventies with that video. Yes he was definitely bi not gay, he deeply loved Mary but lived with a man until his death. Amazing actor and wasn't the Brian May lookalike so good.
Bob Geldof actor was excellent, he had the Geldof walk to perfection. I'm glad they ended on Live Aid with some of the real footage rather than focus on Freddy dying. Loved it, love the music of Queen.
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What was the last thing you said to your jw family?
by caves in7 years ago i had my last conversation with the toxic jw that mostly raised me.
every conversation was toxic for my entire adult life with her.
the last time we spoke was right before the memorial 7 years ago and she was laying on the usual heavy guilt and fear mongering about how jeho counts his people at the memorial.
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Xanthippe
My non-JW dad tried to get one of my sisters and I together when he found out she'd shunned me for fifteen years. He phoned her and then said she's fine about talking to you now. I doubted it very much but did as he asked because my mother had died and he wanted us to make up.
She said, Dad doesn't understand the situation. Her whole tone was, you know why we're doing this to you and you should understand you deserve it. I lost it and said how could he understand, how could anyone understand, what you're doing in cruel and unusual punishment! She said I was criticising her religion and slammed the phone down.
Her husband has cancer so I've heard on the grapevine. Will she realise how cruel she's been if he dies and she becomes a widow too? I doubt it somehow. I'm afraid I will not comfort her, I'm not a Christian, I don't forgive seventy times seven times.