Reporter, thanx for your optimism. Been one of them days when i feel like i have an axe to grind. But i am glad yer name aint Sherman. Or Grant for that matter!!!!
Hope you have a nice one! And a great vacation!!!
Sangdigger
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To Francois, and to any in the Southeast...
by reporter ini'm coming!.
francois... .
btw, u live near atlanta i take it...on route to floridasun iz... .
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Who Really Rules the World???
by ARoarer inremember the tract that had a picture of a big scary looking hand with a grip around the earth and the title "who really rules the world?
" i never really read all of the words in it until last night when i was looking at my mail.
my husband laughed and said you'll never guess who wrote you a letter.
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Kenneson, I think you hit the nail on the head. I totaly agree with you. A God who creates the universe and a world in it would certainly rule over it. I would hate to think of what it would be like if he didnt.(compare Dan.4:17, 25, 32,) Jesus even told Pontius Pilate that he (Pilate) would have no power at all againts him unless it had been given him from above. John said in John 3:27 "A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. Rom. 13:1 "For there is no authority exept from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."
I think Paduan was also right when he/she stated the word "World" is mis-used by the dubs. They would have you believe that Satan has complete control over the "Global World", and someday God will step in and take it from him. But i think scripture is plain that Satan only rules over the "Ungodly" and does with them as he wills.( 2Tim 2:26 ) The only scripture that would give this a problem would be where Satan showed Jesus the Kingdoms of the world and offered them to him, and said if he would bow down to him, they would be his, because they(the kingdoms) had been given to him. Perhaps Almighty God gives him limited control (although God is still sovereign), or Satan was Lying to Jesus, to appeal to his human side? I'm not sure. If anybody has any comments on this one, please elaborate. I've read different commentaries on this passage in the past, but wasnt really satisfied with any of the answers offered.
On the scripture at 2 Cor. 4:4, i think it refers to Satan, although God is said to have blinded the eyes of the unbelievers in several other places.(Isa. 6:10, Rom. 11:7,8 Ex.4:21) But maybe he does this by simply allowing Satan to sway them as he will? The reason i think this particular verse refers to the devil, is it says "...the god of this age..." This age would seem to represent the current world mind-set expressed by the ideals, opinions, goals hopes and veiws of the majority of people. Something not godly, but essentially worldly.
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God's Name?
by seeking_truth inanother question for everyone.
i have read through some of the threads, posts or whatever and even though there is a sense of disagreement over witnesses and the society, their way of handling the words of the bible.
i was curious to know if anyone does believe jehovah is his name?
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I just did some personal research on Gods name for my brother who is loosely attatched to the JW's through my parents. Most of the info. has already been stated, exept for the fact that the Jews would not pronounce the divine name because of a superstition they had due to a scripture in Exodus 20:7. And then only the high priest could say the name out loud once a year!!
The tetragrammaton is used 6,823 times in the OT. Somewhere between the 6th and 9th centuries, a Jewish religious group known as the Masoretes attatched vowells to the letters YHWH, thus creating Yaweh. As someone pointed out earlier in the post, around the 12th century translaters substituted a J for the Y as in latin, and a v for a w, and came up with Jehovah. In 1602, the spanish bible translation by Cipriano de Valera rendered the tetragrammaton thousands of times in the old testament as "Jehova", and later the King James used the name "Jehovah" just 7 times in the old testament.
Whats even more amazing, is how the WTS makes such a big deal over the importance of using the name Jehovah, (even to the point of critisizing some of praying to a false god if they dont use the name in their prayer.....this has personaly happened to me) and yet in one of thier own books, the "New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures" they recognize that YAWEH is probably more correct than JEHOVAH. They say on Pg. 23 "While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yaweh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of peoples familiarity with it since the 14th century."
I personaly agree with several others on this post. I became familiar with the name Jehovah as a child, and will continue to call on the Almighty by that name. Whether its Yaweh or whatever, he's still my Father, and i thats what i mostly call him. Truth seeker, i hope this helps.
Jim
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Cain Killed Abel
by Windchaser inabel.
he loved cain, he took care of cain.
cain would fall into a lake and pretend he was drowning.
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Once again, showing No flesh is justified by the deeds of the law. God expects perfect obediance. Something nobody could ever produce exept one. Jesus
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Do JW's ever read Ephesians4:6?
by anti-absolutism inyou know the scripture that the dubs use to "prove that there is only one true religion and that they, of course have it"?
one lord, one faith, one baptism..... has anyone ever had any experiences trying to point out that verse 6 tends to shed a different light on it?
it says, (in their own bible): one god and father of all [persons], who is over all, and through all, and in all.. to avoid swaying opinion, i will avoid giving my own experiences until i get a few responses.. thanks for your consideration, brad
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Since when did the New Testament ever apply to JW's anyway? The way i see it, they think only the good council and maybe a few scriptures about the great crowd apply to them. The rest is only for the 144.
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To Francois, and to any in the Southeast...
by reporter ini'm coming!.
francois... .
btw, u live near atlanta i take it...on route to floridasun iz... .
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reporter,
Dont mean to bust yer bubble, but im a born and bred southerner, still live "down here" and im freezin my bunz off!! Of course im not in Miami either. (but thankful im not where you are at the moment) In reply to your other comments, ill have to bust yer bubble again. The gov't in the states stopped upholding the constitution oh....about 135 yrs ago. It started with the man they refer to as honest abe. I think he was the one who broke habeus corpus by enlisting 75,000 volunteers to put down "the rebellion". Ahh but that was so long ago. Yes, but they might as well use the constitution for toilet paper now. Thats about how much it means to todays politicians and leaders in the great demonocracy. Theres one thing down here we did manage to hold on to though, RELIGION. They dont call us the bible belt for nuthin. Be sure and stop in at the local Methodist or Baptist cong, and then swing by the local pigly wiggley for some moon pies. Most folks as you probably know dont care a whole lot about whether yer a yankee or not, long as you aint rude, or your name aint Sherman.
Cheers
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Where's the scriptural support for 1935??
by back2dafront in*** w88 1/1 11 the last days-a time of harvest *** .
john, in another vision, sees the sealing of the final ones of the 144,000.
(revelation 7:1-8) evidently, the gathering of these was virtually complete by 1935. .
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If i understand thier teaching right, i believe the reason they give (or used to give) for new ones claiming to be of the annointed class, is they basically replace unfaithful annointed ones. ie...those who sin, and are either df'd or unrepentant. This way, they can get around the awkwardness of someone claiming to be of the heavenly class who is very young, and/or inmature spiritually. Since by thier own claims, the class was pretty much filled up by 1930 something.
I remember years ago, my dad telling me of a former brother he knew who was of the remnant and who could not give up the habbit of tobacco. I remember him telling me that he died disfellowshipped for the practice, and therefore forfieted his right to the annointed. Even though i was "in" back then, i just couldnt help but think something wasnt clicking just right.
Back 2 front, i wish you well in your research. I go about every 3 to 6 mos. between debates with my parents. It seems like a losing battle, but you cant never tell what small seed you might plant, that will make him think.
Take care
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Field Service Tricks
by Beans indoes any one remember this one?
as we live in the "great white north" the weather does not always co-operate with us and sometimes we would have to go outdoors for field service in the winter months.
so i remember my father giving the congregation some tips when the householder would open the door!
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Rayzorblade is correct. RV is definately the key. for those of us who live in rural areas, we would spend all morning driving from one side of the county to the other, tracking down some dis-interested person who probably never even lied and even said he was interested just to be nice. Hindsight=20/20
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Cain Killed Abel
by Windchaser inabel.
he loved cain, he took care of cain.
cain would fall into a lake and pretend he was drowning.
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The story of Cain and Abel parallel a modern story of works vs grace. Just like the two men who went to the temple to pray. One a pharisee religious man, the other a poor sinner who knew of his sinful condition. The religious "righteous man" raised his eyes to heaven and thanked God he was not like the sinner, but did all the law required of him. The sinner wouldnt even look up, but beat on his chest and begged God for mercy and confessed his sinful condition. Who went home justified? The sinner.
Cain=Pictures works religion. Be good, work hard, do all you can do. God will respect your hard work.
Abel=Pictures grace religion. Here is the Lamb Lord, it is all you require. I can not merit your approval. Your Lamb can only do that. A picture of the Son of God,(slain from the foundation of the world Rev. 13:8) the Lamb, who can only take away sin.
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Three Reasons Why the 'Truth' Isn't True (#1)
by metatron inreason number one:.
while i cannot prove herein that consciousness survives death of the .
body, i can point out a solid arguement that you must have some sort.
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Metatron, some interesting points there. I am doing a kind of prolonged personel research on the "Soul" right now, and one thing you touched on made me realize how much the WTS dismisses things that other folks call a mystery. Their logic seems to be; if you cant understand it, it must not be true. I think there are some things that do call for just plain ole faith. But if they cant give some scientific reasoning for it, it must not be true, like the Trinity, or the immortal soul. Much like athiest who point their finger and scoff at things that arent physical or material, or cant be explained with the human mind, they basically do the same thing.