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  Norway didn't fall for it

  by Jalisco in

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  la norvegia non è caduta nella trappola della torre di guardia di agosto.. https://files.accessjw.org/s/sdzfgcgk4bi48jb.

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  FFGhost

  And let’s just suppose that the “written instructions” are, theoretically, softer now.

  The decision to DF, er, remove, is still entirely left up to the whims, prejudices, and perceptions of the 3 guys on the committee anyway.

  In every elders school I ever attended, there was always extensive instruction on “judicial matters”. Sometimes the message was “you guys aren’t DFing enough people”, other times it was “you are DFing too many people”, but ALWAYS the message was “you guys aren’t doing it right”.

  I.e. elders are left up to their whims and fancy on who to DF or not. Who cares if the August 2024 WT says that “removing” a minor would be a very rare occurrence?

  The guys with their boots on the ground, the local elders, are the ones that make the call. If they don’t like the kid, or don’t trust him, or don’t like/trust the parents, then they’ll “remove” him, just as it has always been.

  The WTS has been thoroughly and systematically weeding out the elders who are concerned and caring, the ones left are either too overwhelmed to care, or are drunk on their own perceived power.

  As I mentioned: they’ve only succeeded in guaranteeing a worse hodgepodge of “removal” decisions than before, for absolutely no gain.
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  Norway didn't fall for it

  by Jalisco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  la norvegia non è caduta nella trappola della torre di guardia di agosto.. https://files.accessjw.org/s/sdzfgcgk4bi48jb.

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  FFGhost

  Oh my, that’s just too perfectly rich.

  WTS went to all that trouble, revising and re-revising the August WT, even delaying its release, with hundreds of hours of attorneys’ time furiously writing and rewriting to get it….just….so, to “thread the needle” so they can get their precious, precious money back and still keep on DFing, er, “removing” kids, and what happens?

  It was all for nothing.

  To try to rescue 1.5 million dollars, they muddled their policy, confused their adherents, and humiliated themselves. And FAILED.

  Whatever happened to “whatever weapon formed against you will not succeed”?

  Why, it’s almost enough to make me believe in a “Jehovah” who is mightily pi$$ed at them and is using “worldly” governments to teach them a lesson.
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  Did Tony Morris Get Sideways with His Bros.?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  interesting video connects the dots.

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  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff1ibybfe4&t=205s&pp=2ahnazacaq%3d%3d.

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  FFGhost

  It certainly is a reasonable conclusion about “connecting the dots” between TM’s dismissal and the flurry of significant changes.

  I don’t so much buy the argument that the changes are “merely semantic”, however. This is a pretty seismic policy shift in how df-ing, er, “removal” will be done. As written, pretty much the only people who will ever be “removed” from this point forward are brazen apostates and those who really really REALLY want out.

  What’s more interesting to me is the implication of how precarious the financial situation of the WTS must be.

  Power is the cocaine of the WTS in general and the GB in particular. Power over their adherents’ lives. For a certain subset of humanity, control and power are far more desirable and pleasure-inducing than money, sex, drugs, glamour, fame….combined.

  For them to give up what really is a significant chunk of that absolute control is noteworthy. And for what? 1.5 million dollars a year from a little Scandinavian country?

  Are they really so economically fragile that the removal of 1.5 million dollars coerces them to loosen their grip on the one thing they crave more than anything else?

  Maybe it’s not so much the actual 1.5 million, maybe it’s, as mentioned toward the end of the video, fear of other countries doing <something> for similar reasons. Maybe removing their tax exemptions?

  But again, if your business model is fully dependent on “free government money” and/or “complete and total tax exemption”, such that you nearly completely decimate your primary control element over the flock (fear of being “removed”)…..it’s not much of a robust business model, is it?

  How bad off are they, financially?
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  Creation, Not Evolution Best Explains Genetics

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umnhg0a9dlu.

  evolutionists can change their model, and invent stories whenever they want to accomodate data.

  biblical literalists are stuck with just one model, one account, and are unable to change it.

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  FFGhost

  Is this the same creation Com. That claims that noah took dinosaurs onto the ark?

  LOL.

  “You’re gonna need a bigger ark”
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  October Elder's Letter Delayed- Big Announcement at Annual Meeting

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/93h5zpbil6k?si=ffatfxjuxmj_na9i.

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  FFGhost

  You want to know what’s really weird?

  Not only is the October s-147 form not posted yet….but the s-147s for July, August, and September have been removed from the jw hub.

  They post the s-147 forms under a single heading, then have multiple files under the heading. They do them for 6 months at a time.

  There’s headings for “January to June 2024”, “July to December 2023”, etc. but the one for “July to December 2024”, which was there a few weeks ago and held the announcement sheets previously posted for July, August, and September has been deleted.

  I don’t ever recall them (a) not posting the s-147 so late and (b) removing the immediately previous forms.

  It’s very strange. There doesn’t seem to have been anything “earth-shattering” at the meeting, so why pull old announcements and not post the new ones?
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  JWhub

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m an elder who is pima, i’m amazed how much info is available to all elders.

  you can see all private details of every member of the congregation.

  i wonder how these sisters feel about their private details being available to these creepy elders?.

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  FFGhost

  If anyone had any doubts this poster, and his 6 or 7 other aliases, is a troll, this topic should resolve it.

  It is complete and utter BS that “all elders” can see “all private details” of “every member”.

  Next step: 3 or 4 of those alias accounts will jump on this thread to tell me how wrong I am
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  Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  say it ain’t so!

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  in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

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  FFGhost

  Not sure about this one.

  On the one hand, it’s been blindingly obvious that they’ll eventually have to “do something” about the perennially increasing number of partakers reported every year, beyond labeling most as “emotionally unstable” as they have been doing. Making the “144,000” a symbolic number is the most obvious and easiest solution.

  on the other hand, the OP seems to be based on a single poster over on Reddit who read a WT article about “the anointed” wherein the number is not mentioned. Seems like a pretty flimsy pole to hang your hat on, especially since in a different article (QFR actually) in the same magazine the number “144,000” is explicitly stated.

  I guess we’ll find out in a couple of weeks, but I don’t think it will be made “official doctrine” yet.
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  EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.

  shame is an ancient form of control.

  shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.

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  FFGhost

  Good lord.

  I cringed so hard I think I pulled a muscle (sorry).

  The ability of the WTS to shoot itself in the foot never ceases to amaze me.

  As noted in the earlier post on this thread, if this were rigorously enforced, they’d lose half their elders and three-fourths of their MS overnight.

  The true believer elders, the ones they want to keep, would see this and think “OMG, I’ve offended Jehovah, I must confess immediately and lose my privileges in order to keep my precious relationship with Jah”.

  The PIMOs, the cynics, the power hungry narcissists, the ones they don’t really want, would see this and think “dang, I better clear my browser and search history ASAP” or at the very least, “if I have any problems with my laptop or phone, I am absolutely never giving it to a fellow JW for repairs”.

  Well done, whoever is leaking these.
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  New instructions on not using sisters to manage KH computer ?

  by fifth.column in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since covid in france, especially in the countryside with lack of brothers, it was quite common that some sisters were using the computer at the back of the kingdom hall to manage zoom session.. i heard a rumor that new instructions, maybe a july letter, stated that this was reserved for male only, even unbaptised publishers, but no sister if there is at least a male available.

  that would be a steps back and disappointment for these sisters.

  last week i heard at my mom’s house how they were happy that this service was available for them, a proof that the org was moving forward.

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  FFGhost

  Yeah, that’s right.

  In a lot of places in Europe (maybe elsewhere too?), post-COVID, they started using “sisters” to run mics and run the sound desk, because there just simply weren’t enough “brothers” present at the KH.

  Evidently, the branch offices found that horrific, or at least embarrassing, so in the monthly “announcements and reminders” to congregations (July 2024, sent just this week), they put the kibosh on the practice.

  The letter says that “baptized brothers in their early teens or younger” could be used for such “practical tasks”. And that congregations must “contact the circuit overseer for direction before using sisters”.

  All that, of course, is in the “elders only” section of the letter, NOT to be read to the congregation.

  I can think of more than a few sisters who are going to be “bent out of shape” when these recent “privileges” are suddenly yanked away.

  I was thinking, maybe, that the borg was considering increasing the role of sisters in the congregations, starting with mics & sound desk, and conceivably, after many years, possibly even opening up the way for them to be ministerial servants. I always thought it odd how 1 Timothy 3:11 specifically addressing “women” was plopped directly in the middle of the list of requirements for MS in 1 Tim. 3:8-13. I thought, maybe, with the loosening restrictions on field service reports and dress codes, they might, after a suitably long time, open the door for “sisters” to have even more responsibilities.

  Alas, I should have known better.

  An 11 year old baptized boy “outranks” Sister Pioneer with 40+ years of experience. Thus shall it ever be so in WT-world.
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  JW Ranking System

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's fairly evident to little old outsider me that the organisation has a class system, perhaps even a caste system.. from what i've read, there seems to not only be an official ranking system (m.s., elder, c.o.

  ) but an unofficial one.

  has anyone ever sat down to figure out what the unofficial ranks are and how they affect the pecking order?

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  FFGhost

  A (slightly obsolete) oldie but goodie:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/2671/updated-list-watchtower-ranks-classes