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  Mass formation control and the Organization

  by truthseeker in

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  mass formation control.

  most of the changes in the organization have been doctrinal and as a rule jws would not openly discuss these for fear of being labeled an apostate.

  examples include overlapping generations and types and antitypes.

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  I agree that they know what they are doing but there is nothing sophisticated in their strategy. They have access to all the numbers that they collect from Secretaries, CO's and Branches, and the numbers are bleak.

  The GB knows that the way to retain and attract new members is to lighten the load . Reports from the field prove that members feel that the load is too heavy. So, they make changes that they feel will make members sigh with relief.

  However, eventually, there is nothing else they can do. They can't quit shunning. They can't stop demanding that congs turn over their funds. They can't stop selling KHs. They can't turn their CSA records over to authorities.

  They are backed into a corner and the only thing left is to relax holidays and blood. They may allow birthday celebrations but they won't relax their view of blood transfusions. They have a huge legal department and it still isn't enough to field all the challenges.
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  It's been ten years since congregations surrendered their finances to HQ

  by truthseeker in

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  anyone have any anecdotal reports of individual congregation finances since the stealth takeover by the wt of their checking accounts?.

  are donations up?

  can they pay their bills?.

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  Skin - either you have a generous benefactor or they have 2 sets of books…..
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  Ages of each user here?

  by ukpimo in

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  i'm interested to know the age demographics here.

  it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.

  it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.

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  110 - the last of THAT generation
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  What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse

  by Starlight.vee in

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  like the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.

  how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.

  there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.

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  I would wake up before the dream ended.
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  It's been ten years since congregations surrendered their finances to HQ

  by truthseeker in

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  anyone have any anecdotal reports of individual congregation finances since the stealth takeover by the wt of their checking accounts?.

  are donations up?

  can they pay their bills?.

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  The elephant in the room for the money grab is that WTC followed the Catholic vatican playbook. It gave them access to ALL the contributions and positioned them to SELL KHs when they decided. Here are the steps they took:

  1. WTC took title of all KHs
  2. WTC cleaned out the bank accounts of all Congs
  3. WTC exited all "in progress projects" and sold land purchased by Congs for future builds
  4. WTC directed all donations come to them, removing access to those funds by the Congs
  5. WTC engaged in a massive selloff of "in use" properties resulting in displacement of Congs and individuals

  Now, WTC decides which KHs need maintenance that is above and beyond daily maintenance. When WTC decides to sell a KH, they evaluate what needs to be done to put it on the market, then they send worldly contractors in to do the work. The sale occurs soon after. They do this if they decide that the market in that locality is "hot". Congregations are then consolidated - Rinse and repeat.

  THE BOTTOM LINE

  Is your KH getting a facelift, new carpet, new chairs, new roof? Then get ready to go somewhere else because it will likely be sold as soon as a buyer is found.
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  Reddit thread re Oct 2024 WT with picture of window washer - Theme knocking people who Planned

  by LongHairGal in

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  this thread currently has over 300 comments.. it shows a picture of an older man washing a window looking wistfully… then it talks all about how some may have doubts about not having planned and the situation they are in now that they are older, etc.

  it refers to others who did plan and who supposedly have ‘apparent’ financial security.

  in my opinion, the whole gist of this article is to make older witnesses feel better who did not pursue a career or plan well for retirement.. it tries to imply that those others who planned only have ‘apparent’ financial security - which is to say they don’t (?).

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  The Menlo Park fiasco happened long before WTC forcefully took ownership of all the KHs. It shows that WTC planned the takeover many years ago and wanted to see what the backlash would be. They learned some lessons and so did the BOE's throughout the U.S. - don't cross WTC if you plan to stay in the Org.

  Now other countries are starting the selloffs and BOEs are considering what happened at Menlo Park in the U.S.

  Unfortunately, there is little recourse for any who dissent. The best thing to do is walk away from WTC and find a better life.
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  October 2024 Study Watchtower snippets

  by BoogerMan in

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  october 2024 study watchtower p.16 par.15 footnote - "in some cases, qualified men in their mid-to-late 20’s may be appointed as circuit overseers.

  however, such men must first gain experience serving as elders.".

  (well, if jw's are dunking kids who still play with fisher-price toys & lego, they'll be ready to become c.o.

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  WTC considers the Bible to be like a lump of clay, shaped to resemble any position that benefits them. Great examples Moogerman!
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  Reddit thread re Oct 2024 WT with picture of window washer - Theme knocking people who Planned

  by LongHairGal in

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  this thread currently has over 300 comments.. it shows a picture of an older man washing a window looking wistfully… then it talks all about how some may have doubts about not having planned and the situation they are in now that they are older, etc.

  it refers to others who did plan and who supposedly have ‘apparent’ financial security.

  in my opinion, the whole gist of this article is to make older witnesses feel better who did not pursue a career or plan well for retirement.. it tries to imply that those others who planned only have ‘apparent’ financial security - which is to say they don’t (?).

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  That photo is typical of the manipulation that WTC is famous for.

  If you are still associated with WTC, and contemplating your future, study that photo carefully. It could be a snapshot of your own future - minus the paradise inset showing the Brother wearing an "UN-TUCKIT" shirt. For you sisters, the perfect 10 beside him still wears a dress even when working in the field. She is new to farming because she still invites all the cute little deer to eat everything in the garden - which they will do.

  BTW - Armageddon better come quickly for the Brother in the photo. Otherwise, he will only get into the paradise by resurrection. WTC teaches that resurrected ones do not marry, so the attractive woman by his side helping him havest the fruit of his estate will not be his wife. If he dies prior to the end of the system like all other JWs who passed away, he will only have a platonic relationship with her.

  BUT WAIT! Didn't the GB say a few years ago that it could not be said that resurrected ones will be single forever? They did - but dropped saying that after many expressed outrage. Namely, those who had remarried, and got a lemon for a mate.
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  2024--Become a Circuit Overseer in Your Mid-to-Late 20's!

  by Atlantis in

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  become a circuit overseer in your mid to late 20's.

  you would have had to qualify as an elder previously.

  this would mean the male would have had to have been an elder in his early 20's.

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  They don't have a choice IMO. The number of older men who are still willing to carry the water for WTC is diminishing quickly, and there is a gap of elders in the 30-50 year bracket. They are actually targeting teenagers, hoping that they will be incentivized to stick with the org instead of leaving when they hit their 20's.

  THEY MUST MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE SHEEP - even if they have to use pre-pubescent boys to do so.
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  Not going to say a word

  by berrygerry in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-0p-5x2g4w.

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  I happened to attend a new boy talk by Ralph Wahl many years ago, as an observer. He sternly told new boys not to "pee in the sink" in their room, but to use the restroom urinal instead. I wondered if that was an actual problem at Bethel. Years later, I walked in again to his orientation and he repeated the same thing. I knew then that he was obsessed.

  Over the years, I saw that Bethel was hyper-focused on the sexual organs of young Bethelites. It was disturbing to me and to others as well. They used any excuse to talk about sexual practices, perversions, and personal hygiene.

  I do know that bestiality has been an issue for the organization for many years. This used to come up when women wanted scriptural divorces. The Service Dept did not consider bestiality as grounds for scriptural divorce until the the 1990's.

  Yes - seriously. And these were the men guiding the sheep...