Posts by Scully

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On What Date Did Watchtower Have THE TRUTH?

by OnTheWayOut in

if a jw tries to gather you back to the flock or debate with you, try these questions:.

on what date did the watchtower arrive at the truth?.

(a sharp jw will try to be fuzzy.

Scully

Whenever Joseph Rutherford said "Religion is a snare and a racket." That date.

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Moral dilemma: to tell my husband or not to tell him...

by Julia Orwell in

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that his jw best friend he hasn't seen in ages is coming for holidays from where he now lives overseas.

this jw friend was instrumental in getting my husband into the cult before we met.

i heard from a jw from my old cong who just emailed me.

Since Great Crowd has no mediator

by sosoconfused in

i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

Scully

Honestly, does it really matter? I'm atheist now, so it's all rubbish to me.

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Since Great Crowd has no mediator

by sosoconfused in

i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

Scully

comatose:

I just don't get the classes. Jesus didn't teach two groups. It's so crazy to go against 1 Timothy 2:5

According to the WTS, he did. They refer to the Little Flock™ as being the 144,000 who rule in heaven with Jesus, while the Other Sheep™ have the Earthly Hope™ of Living Forever In Paradise™.

"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom." ~ Luke 12:32

"But I have other sheep, who are not of this fold, those also I must bring." ~ John 10:16

Don't forget that 1 Timothy was allegedly written by Paul.

And, for what it's worth, the concept of Jesus being the mediator for only the Anointed™ has been around for a long time - I was Baptized™ in 1980 and that was the teaching at the time:

*** w79 4/1 p. 31 Questions from Readers ***

Questions from Readers

• Is Jesus the “mediator” only for anointed Christians?

The term “mediator” occurs just six times in the Christian Greek Scriptures and Scripturally is always used regarding a formal covenant.

Moses was the “mediator” of the Law covenant made between God and the nation of Israel. (Gal. 3:19, 20) Christ, though, is the “mediator of a new covenant” between Jehovah and spiritual Israel, the “Israel of God” that will serve as kings and priests in heaven with Jesus. (Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24; Gal. 6:16) At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the “one mediator between God and men.” (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word “mediator” in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is “mediator.” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.

The new covenant will terminate with the glorification of the remnant who are today in that covenant mediated by Christ. The “great crowd” of “other sheep” that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the “little flock” of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant. During the millennium Jesus Christ will be their king, high priest and judge. For more detailed information, see Aid to Bible Understanding, pages 1129 and 1130 under “Mediator”; also God’s “Eternal Purpose” Now Triumphing for Man’s Good, page 160, paragraph 10; also The Watchtower issues of February 15, 1966, pages 105 through 123; November 15, 1972, pages 685 and 686, under the subheading “Leading the Way to a New Covenant”; and April 1, 1973, pages 198 and 199, under the subheading “The New Covenant.”

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Do Not Calls is it about control?

by hoser in

elders are supposed to call on do not calls once a year to get their ass chewed on by the householder.

why does the borg make them do this?

humiliate them and make them more loyal?.

Scully

They haven't called on us in years. Last time they called it was the CO and some teenaged boy, I told them I left because the congregation treated me like crap when I was ill with postpartum depression - to the point that I was suicidal. I told them I could never trust the congregation again after the way they abused me when my family and I needed their support the most. The CO was dumbfounded... just stood there stunned like I'd slapped him across the face.

PWNed!!!!!

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CAN YOU BE AN 'APOSTATE' IF YOU WERE NEVER BAPTIZED?

by Mary in

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friends

this subject came up with a friend of mine on facebook the other day.

he was never officially baptized as a witness and i believe he is now a born again christian.. does crooklyn consider someone an 'apostate' if you were never actually a full-fledged member but ended up leaving?

or are you just considered 'bad association'??

Scully

Blondie, this is from the Young People Ask book:

*** yp chap. 39 p. 318 How Can I Get Close to God? ***

“I think a lot of young people hesitate to get baptized,” observed a youth named Robert. “They fear it’s a final step that they can’t back out of.” True, one cannot back out of a dedication to God. (Compare Ecclesiastes 5:4.) But “if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him”—baptized or unbaptized! (James 4:17) The issue is, Do you appreciate God’s friendship? Are you moved to want to serve him forever? Then do not let fear hinder you from proclaiming yourself a friend of God!

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Since Great Crowd has no mediator

by sosoconfused in

i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

Scully

The WTS takes great delight in reminding JWs over and over and over that close association the Governing Body™ and believing Present Truth™ as published by the WTS is the only way they can hope to survive Armageddon™. In fact, they make it part of the baptism questions that candidates must answer in the affirmative.

So in reality, they are usurping the mediator position.

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CAN YOU BE AN 'APOSTATE' IF YOU WERE NEVER BAPTIZED?

by Mary in

jw
friends

this subject came up with a friend of mine on facebook the other day.

he was never officially baptized as a witness and i believe he is now a born again christian.. does crooklyn consider someone an 'apostate' if you were never actually a full-fledged member but ended up leaving?

or are you just considered 'bad association'??

Scully

I think it would depend largely on whether or not you actively tried to debunk JW dogma to JWs. They consider any attempt to "draw away disciples for themselves" to be an act of apostacy.

If you don't do that, then they consider you to be not an approved association or Bad Association™.

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