Posts by Scully

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

Scully

She had multiple episodes with the guy but all kissing and heavy petting(petting... such an old word). Then one day it went further. He rubbed her bare breasts and she put her hands in his pants. She stroked his penis and he almost had a happy ending.

someone who had committed fornication and never repented officially. This nullifies the marriage bond.

Heavy petting, or whatever it's called now, is NOT fornication. In JW land, fornication = penis in vagina. Touching, fondling, stroking, kissing is not fornication, it is technically classified as loose conduct in the Elders' Manual™ - that's why so many effing child molester JWs get away with that $h!t.

It doesn't nullify the marriage bond. Clearly she was repentant - she cried and turned her life around immediately. Just because she made the choice not to submit to personal humiliation in front of three adult males and possibly get DFd and kicked out of her parents' home, doesn't mean that she didn't make her peace with Jehovah™ before meeting your friend. It seems like a no-brainer that if she had felt it was a big enough deal, she would have talked to him about it before they got married - and I'm personally wondering if your friend has some 'splainin' to do about his past as well.

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

Scully

And this is after the Prodigal Son video where David™ sobs after hooking up with a Worldly™ girl from work and begs Jehovah to forgive him.

And the Elders™ don't DF him. Because he cried like a little b*tch. I bet whats-her-name wore a thong too.

Only in JW land do unmarried males cry in guilt and shame after losing their virginity.

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

Scully

"I do know however that if a brother who is married goes to a strip club and pays for a lap dance it is considered adultery. This was told to us by our instructor at the week long elders school. "

That's got my BS detector on red alert. There's no way in HELL they'd make it that easy for a WIFE to get a Scriptural Divorce™.

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

Scully

sosoconfused

Your friend needs to hear that what happened before he knew his wife is ANCIENT HISTORY. I bet there are boobs that he fondled and girls he French kissed before he met his wife too, that he didn't disclose to her.

When you get married, you promise to be faithful to your partner 'from this day forward' - it has no basis for dredging up the past and digging through a person's private life. Starting a marriage is about looking forward, not fixating on the past.

It just goes to show you what kind of vindictive, sadistic perverts have been Appointed By Holy Spirit™ to meddle in a couple's relationship like this. HOW DARE THEY tell him that he ought to be offended or that he should seek a Scriptural Divorce™ based on this trifling bit of ANCIENT HISTORY. It's not like she was gang-banging or prostituting herself to help make ends meet while Pioneering™.

How was manipulating him like this an act of LOVE? How is destroying this couple's marriage like this supportive, loving or even kind?

Whatever happened to "What God has yoked together let NO MAN put apart"??

How much you wanna bet that one of those blathering idiot Elders™ fantasizes about your friend's wife and would love to have her hands on his dick?

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

Scully

So, does that mean *any* JW could seek a Scriptural Divorce™ if that kind of information was not disclosed prior to a JW couple's marriage?

Frig, that means I would be eligible to have a Scriptural Divorce™ because Mr Scully didn't disclose to me his pre-JW dalliances before we married. We even had to go through an interview with the JW Elder™ who would be officiating at our wedding, and one of the questions we were each asked was whether there were any indiscretions that needed to be disclosed in order for him to have a Clear Conscience™ about doing our ceremony.

This is some messed up $h!t.

I bet you dollars to donuts if it was the husband with a "history", they'd expect the wife to forgive and forget, and act like their wedding day started with a clean slate.

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How I Treat Patients Who Refuse Blood Transfusions

by TJ Curioso in

how i treat patients who refuse blood transfusionswhy cant jehovahs witnesses have a shabbes goy make medical decisions for them?by chavi eve karkowsky|posted tuesday, june 25, 2013, at 10:45 am.

a placental blood pouch is prepared to be sent to a blood bank at hospital haut leveque university hospital of bordeaux, france.. photo by bsip/uig via getty images.

when you are performing the first interview of a new patient at the high-risk obstetric clinic where i work, question no.

Scully

Wow, that is really a great article, and a very interesting approach.

Thanks for posting it.

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Depression & natural ways to deal with it

by love2Bworldly in

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i was on prozac for about 10 years, and finally went off all meds about 18 months ago.

the prozac was causing me to have manic episodes, so they added a bipolar medicine as well as a sleep aid, and the bipolar medicine made me dizzy & nauseaus.

so now i work really hard at exercising regularly, i take a lot of natural supplements including natural lithium & megadoses of omega upon advice of a homeopathic doctor.

Scully

I would have suggested a second opinion from another physician when Prozac was causing you to have manic episodes that they treated with medication for bipolar disorder.

My main concern is that Lithium has a very narrow therapeutic range and you should be having your levels tested regularly to prevent toxicity. As I said, the boundary between therapeutic levels and toxic levels is quite narrow, and you could be putting yourself in harm's way by going the "natural" route without proper monitoring.

People can be on antidepressants long-term, just like they can be on medication for Type 2 Diabetes long term. Depression is an imbalance in brain chemistry, which can be endemic (part of your usual brain chemistry) or related to other external factors, like stress, lack of coping skills, poor self esteem etc. It can be long term or temporary. Antidepressants have come a long way since Prozac - maybe you need to try a different medication than Prozac. Newer ones like Pristiq combine the SSRI (Serotonin Specific Reuptake Inhibitor) of Prozac with an NRI (Norepinepherine Reuptake Inhibitor) with good effect.

It's important to make physical activity and healthy lifestyle a part of your daily routine. Start with walking, increasing the duration and intensity of your sessions. Make better food choices, which along with exercise will contribute to your overall sense of accomplishment in self care.

Find something you think you might enjoy and join a group who enjoys the same activity. There are lots of choices - check for groups in your area.

Finally, be kind to yourself. Being part of a high control religious group like the JWs does a number on your self esteem, and if you are being shunned by people who you were once close to, that makes it all the worse.

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Funeral this Saturday, looking for suggestions

by Tameria2001 in

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my husband will be going (unless he has to work) to his jw aunt's funeral this coming saturday (6-29-13).

he will be riding up with one of his other aunts (not a witness).

i refuse to go because i just hate those people that much, that if it were my mom's funeral i still would not go.

Scully

Hello David and Tameria

JW funerals are the most dreadful thing to endure, even worse than the loss that you've experienced.

Your loved one might get a few minutes' worth of mention in the preamble to describe her years of service to the congregation and her devotion to her family. The remainder of the talk will be a bona fide Infomercial targetting any non-JWs in attendance and inviting them to approach any JWs afterward if they are interested in learning more.

The Funeral talk outline specifically states that "the talk need not exceed 30 minutes in length".

It'll be more or less a wham bam thank you ma'am event; it is exceedingly rare for personal remembrances to be shared.

I'm glad you're attending with non-JW relatives. They can help to buffer the shunning that might otherwise happen. If there is a family gathering afterward, expect to be excluded from it. In fact, you would probably be better off going out to dinner with your non-JW relatives so you can share memories of your aunt, because there won't be any of that going on with the JWs - they consider it to be an unseemly display of grieving.

Having said all that, I'm hoping that your JW relatives will be the exception, rather than the rule.

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Needed - a printable 2013 DC badge

by venetian in

is anyone able to post this years dc badge for printing?.

i'm a man with a plan .

mawahhhhhhh!.

Scully

You could always buy an empty badge holder from Staples and put it on your jacket.

Act surprised when someone points out that it's empty.

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Help me plan a birthday party for a 'sort of' JW

by skeeter1 in

a relative and friend of mine is turning the monumental "60" in 3 weeks.

he has "studied" with the jws since childhood, but never became a baptised member.

something is holding him back .

Scully

You know what... if he was committed to the JWs, he wouldn't have Studied™ with them throughout his entire adult life without getting Baptized™. Something isn't computing for him. Perhaps he isn't the model citizen that JWs claim to be and he therefore feels unworthy of going that extra step.

But believe me, people who don't want their milestone birthday recognized don't go around announcing that their birthday is coming up soon.

I like the idea of cupcakes. Then you're not making a "birthday cake" which might freak him out a bit. But you are making several dozen birthday cupcakes... the more the merrier!! ;)

For birthday songs, you could go with the Beatles "Birthday" song or "Forever Young" by Rod Stewart, instead of the traditional Happy Birthday song, or choose from this playlist.

If you're going to do a surprise, have someone take him fishing to occupy him for a few hours while you set up the party, and bring him back for a BBQ/birthday party. That way he gets to go fishing and then enjoy a meal and everyone's company afterward.