They could take pictures of all the shells and post them on their facebook page, then leave the shells in the classroom for the other children to look at.
(21st century answer)
Posts by Scully
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30Logic problem set by school for my 6 year old
by besty ininput welcome:.
3 children collect 4 different shells on the beach.
(4 shells in total, not 4 shells per child) each child has a bucket.
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My uncle has died
by zagor inits becoming something of a tradition for me.
every time i've come back to this board in the last 3 year its because of something major has changed.
a milestone of sorts.. and this is one too.
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Scully
So sorry for your loss, zagor.
I'm doing some interesting reading this week - a book called Women, Food and God by Geneen Roth, PhD - and I'm at the part where she describes "the impulse to bolt". What she is talking about is a defence mechanism whereby we avoid painful situations by "bolting" - cutting people out of our life, never speaking to them again, and so on. We run away rather than face what we believe to be more painful than we can tolerate.
Maybe this is at the root of why some of us exJWs choose to shun them before they can shun us, because for them to reject us would be far more painful - so we don't give them the opportunity - we strike first - we reject them - we do it because we think it gives us the upper hand. But the pain is still there, the void and emptiness is still there. I know that I'm in that boat too. I've had a counsellor tell me that it's the right thing to do, to stop trying with JW relatives so they can't reject me over and over, so I don't empower them by allowing them to shun me... shun them and they can't shun you. But that big elephant in the room still hinders the relationship, the one that resents the fact that my parents were recruited into a cult and they dragged me and my siblings into it without a second thought, and now our entire family is in shambles because of it. Nobody talks to anybody anymore, even the others who never became JWs, because that resentment has festered for decades, and nobody wants to acknowledge the pain that the cult's practices have caused our family.
I don't know if sharing this will help you at all... but I guess at the heart of it, I'm trying to say that what you did was a normal reaction, one taken for self-preservation. Nobody can fault you for that. Don't beat yourself up - for all you know, your uncle would have tried to re-recruit you or given you an ultimatum to go back or he'd never speak to you again.
It might make you feel a bit better to write a letter to him and explain why you did what you did, and then talk about the good times you remembered with him. If you have a garden, plant a shrub or a tree in his memory.
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Elders refuse to give evidence of a molester and the molester gets away with it!
by punkofnice inthis is the first part where the eldubs refuse to do the honourable thing.
http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=1&newsid=109303.
...and here is the even sadder conclusion........ http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=1&newsid=109359.
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Scully
There are certain instances where Lawyer-Client Privilege and Doctor-Patient Privilege are suspended - such as when an individual threatens to harm themselves or others, or when they are a danger to themselves or others - and I don't see why this should not apply to the Clergy-Penitent Privilege, particularly where there is a known risk of harming a child.
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Elders refuse to give evidence of a molester and the molester gets away with it!
by punkofnice inthis is the first part where the eldubs refuse to do the honourable thing.
http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=1&newsid=109303.
...and here is the even sadder conclusion........ http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?cat=1&newsid=109359.
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Scully
The ministers said it is the religious belief and practice of Jehovah's Witnesses, based upon Scripture and tradition, that elders must maintain in strict confidence any church communications connected with spiritual counseling and that congregants expect their communications to elders will remain confidential.
This was overturned some time ago by the Supreme Court in Canada. The Clergy-Penitent Privilege is understood to be an interaction between ONE individual and ONE member of the clergy who hears the person's confession. The Penitent approaches the clergy with a contrite heart and confesses privately. While this can happen in the realm of a JW Judicial Committee, most often there is a complaint by a member of the congregation that requires investigation, and investigation requires that other individuals are brought into the transaction through questioning and/or approaching the Elder Body to report questionable behaviour. The WTS is made aware of the individual and the behaviour that led to the decision to DF, in writing no less, using forms S-77 and S-79. Finally, the congregation - although not naming the individual to give a semblance of confidentiality - gives a very public Local Needs Talk™ discussing the type of behaviour that resulted in either Private or Public Reproof™ or Disfellowshipping™. There is NO confidentiality in the legal or clerical sense of the term when a JW Judicial Committee™ is involved.
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The Paradise Earth Teaching Is Selfish and Narcissistic
by snowbird init fosters an entitlement spirit of superiority among jw's (due to my good works for the wt, i'm gonna be there), and makes a mockery of god's grace (salvation is a gift; it can never be earned).. just my thoughts.. syl.
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Scully
I believe the notion of Living Forever In Paradise On Earth™ is selfish and narcissistic, but not exactly for the same reasons as you, Sylvia.
I believe that death is an inevitability for all beings - plants, animals, people, and even stars and the planets within the solar systems of those stars. Each has a fairly stable lifespan (and some people, you could say, have a Best Before Date ... but that's a whole nother topic ).
The premise of Living Forever In Paradise On Earth™, therefore, requires people who buy in to that notion to want something that is unnatural within the workings of the universe as we know it. It requires them to expect that they are entitled to millennia of life that they aren't entitled to have. They have no such entitlement, and even worse, no control over death, just like a star has no control over its rate of decay or when it burns itself out and goes supernova, taking all life around it at the same time.
It was a very humbling realization to come to the understanding that I was just the same as everyone else, that I had no business going to their doors and telling them that what Jehovah's Witnesses had to offer was better than whatever it was they believed. I mean, who the hell did I think I was, preaching to them?? I was nobody.
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trying to reach teenage daughter
by Aussie Oz inhad some interesting chats with my daughter today about whether she believes everything she hears at the meetings and reads in the watchtower.. turns out she does.. until i pressed on a few subjects... turns out she does not think worldly people are bad, that the wt is wrong for blanket statements about how evil they all are, that she does not think it is right that they have failed predicting the end for over a hundred years and disagrees when they keep pushing the end,.
and i find this all rather alarming!.
because although some lights are firing (and i mean that in a nice way!).
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Scully
Open mind:
If I was an elder assigned to "counsel" Scully, I think I'd decline.
Scully rocks!
Why, thank you! I suppose I should stop wondering why the Elders™ haven't come calling. LMAO
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trying to reach teenage daughter
by Aussie Oz inhad some interesting chats with my daughter today about whether she believes everything she hears at the meetings and reads in the watchtower.. turns out she does.. until i pressed on a few subjects... turns out she does not think worldly people are bad, that the wt is wrong for blanket statements about how evil they all are, that she does not think it is right that they have failed predicting the end for over a hundred years and disagrees when they keep pushing the end,.
and i find this all rather alarming!.
because although some lights are firing (and i mean that in a nice way!).
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Scully
The best thing you can teach your daughter is that The Headship Principle™ is a steaming pile of horse$h!t.
Build her confidence, encourage her to develop leadership skills that will help her when she needs to start thinking about getting a job.
Don't, under any circumstances, support the idea that she must obey or defer to anyone with a penis, especially if the goal of doing so is to put her interests on the back burner in favour of their own. Remind her that she has the right to be treated fairly and as an equal in all areas of life. Part of overcoming the Headship™ spell is letting her know that it is okay for her to say NO when a man is trying to get her to do something unreasonable that she doesn't want to do, or is attempting to prevent her from doing something reasonable that she wishes to do. Let her practise that with you, by teaching her negotiating skills.
You'll probably hate it at some point, but you don't want her to turn into some JW's Submissive™ little wifey, do you?
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Did anyone see "Four Weddings" on TLC 2011/05/06 - JW bride
by Scully inonly caught part of this program during my tea time at work last night.. the premise: 4 brides competing with each other, and hosting the other brides at their wedding, scoring the wedding and reception.
the prize was an all expenses paid island honeymoon.
i didn't particularly care what was on tv, but a couple of my colleagues were watching it, but boy did i ever do a double take when one of the brides, named celeste, would not enter the church for the second and third weddings, based on her beliefs as a jehovah's witness.
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Scully
Yahoo Answers re JW attending weddings in a church.
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Did anyone see "Four Weddings" on TLC 2011/05/06 - JW bride
by Scully inonly caught part of this program during my tea time at work last night.. the premise: 4 brides competing with each other, and hosting the other brides at their wedding, scoring the wedding and reception.
the prize was an all expenses paid island honeymoon.
i didn't particularly care what was on tv, but a couple of my colleagues were watching it, but boy did i ever do a double take when one of the brides, named celeste, would not enter the church for the second and third weddings, based on her beliefs as a jehovah's witness.
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NoRoomForGeorge:
she messed up big time. That's very bad publicity for JWs. The matter of entering a church for a wedding is a conscience matter, its not a concrete doctrine where one can be reproved or DFd over. What she just did was advertise the WT's doctrinal contempt of other Christian denominations.
wasblind:
her decision not to step into a church only show how much she don't know about her own religion
My work-mates and I had a bit of a discussion around that during the commercials. They said how they felt it was very rude to be on a program like that if she was unwilling to participate in all the activities. I explained that she was behaving in an extreme way, because entering the church is not against the religion, but participating in another religion's worship is. They were all surprised at that, and then became annoyed that she publicly misrepresented JW beliefs, and concluded that she was a nasty b!tch trying to make herself look "better" than everyone else.
Them being able to pay for a $45,000 wedding is probabaly a good indication of her family's influence within the congregation. There's different rules when it comes to random nobody JWs, and JWs with infuential families. I mean influential in the sense of material posessions, but also if the family has theocratic heavyweights within the congregation or the circuit.
That was another negative for my co-workers. They felt that she was a big phony from a spiritual perspective and a show-off from a material perspective.
sherah
I bet that JW bride was marrying a 'unbeliever' hence the banquet hall wedding.
I thought that might be the case too. Either that or she is a spoiled brat and wanted the big wedding without the JW vows and their sad excuse for music, and the Elders™ wouldn't let her use the KH for the event. I was waiting to hear "Marriage is God's Arrangement" as her father (?) walked her down the aisle (whoever he was, he didn't look like he was having a very good time). It didn't happen. The wedding was somewhere in NJ, so I was wondering if anyone recognized the venue - and could tell whether it was an Assembly Hall or just a normal banquet hall/convention centre. I imagine with that kind money, an Assembly Hall wedding and reception wouldn't be out of the question - especially if the family had some "influence".
WontLeave
Probably an indoctrinated but inactive or never-baptized born-in. All the baggage, but for absolutely no reason.
Excellent summation. Somehow I think "all the baggage, but for absolutely no reason" should go on a T-shirt!
By the way, I apologize for the lack of "spoiler tags" in the original post.
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Did anyone see "Four Weddings" on TLC 2011/05/06 - JW bride
by Scully inonly caught part of this program during my tea time at work last night.. the premise: 4 brides competing with each other, and hosting the other brides at their wedding, scoring the wedding and reception.
the prize was an all expenses paid island honeymoon.
i didn't particularly care what was on tv, but a couple of my colleagues were watching it, but boy did i ever do a double take when one of the brides, named celeste, would not enter the church for the second and third weddings, based on her beliefs as a jehovah's witness.
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Scully
Only caught part of this program during my tea time at work last night.
The premise: 4 brides competing with each other, and hosting the other brides at their wedding, scoring the wedding and reception. The prize was an all expenses paid island honeymoon. I didn't particularly care what was on TV, but a couple of my colleagues were watching it, but boy did I ever do a double take when one of the brides, named Celeste, would not enter the church for the second and third weddings, based on her beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness. The producers accommodated her by setting up a closed circuit TV for her to watch the wedding in the limosine.
I was like WTF?? So, naturally, I had to see the rest of the show. I thought, oy my co-workers are gonna laugh when they see what passes for a wedding at a Kingdom Hall.
But, for me, the most horrifying thing was the JW bride. What a frikkin' b!tch!!!!!! She low-balled the other brides on the scores she gave them, complained about EVERYTHING, and made herself look like a glutton with all the food she ate. Then to top it all off, the wedding was not at a Kingdom Hall after all! It was held in some huge banquet hall, and wasn't even the usual JW ceremony, with the JW vows. Plus, the show disclosed the cost of all the weddings - hers was $45,000!!!!! (the other two that I saw were $20,000 and $30,000). This supposed JW chick had the most lavish and ornate shindig and two wedding dresses instead of just one - a bonafide showy display - and there must have been 500 guests - so contrary to WTS counsel.
I was very happy when the two brides who got married in churches (the ones her holier-than-thou stuck up ass refused to enter) wound up in a tie to win the grand prize, and this fake JW wannabe princess went home empty handed.
Did anyone else happen to see the show??