Posts by seven006

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FIREPHIM revisited for all the new ones

by seven006 in

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friends

yesterday i got a call from one of my exjw friends.

during our conversation (which usually are centered around the watchtower printing company) i asked her if she had read a post i wrote several years ago here on jwd about the group called firephim.

firephim was a corporation that was established by represenitives of the watchtower corp, the scientologist, the raelians (a ufo cult), the moonies, the children of god church (the sex cult) as well as a few other cults.

seven006

Yesterday I got a call from one of my exJW friends. During our conversation (which usually are centered around the Watchtower printing Company) I asked her if she had read a post I wrote several years ago here on JWD about the group called Firephim. Firephim was a corporation that was established by represenitives of the Watchtower Corp, The Scientologist, The Raelians (a UFO cult), The Moonies, The Children of God church (the sex cult) as well as a few other cults. She, had not read it but wanted too.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/26341/1.ashx

I told her I would e-mail her the link but then thought it might be interesting to some of the new posters here on JWD to read the information as well. When I did the research and wrote the post back in 2002 there were only ten or fifteen links to the subject on any of the search engines. Most of the links were written in English with a few in French and German.

The subject is also presented on Randy Watter’s Free Minds site (even though I have never been able to find it there).

If you type the word FIREPHIM on a search engine now, you get 544 links on Yahoo and 345 links on Google. You also get links in Russian, Greek, Japanese, Korean, the three languages I mentioned before and some languages I don’t have a clue what the hell they are.

The internet is helping to expose all the cults for what and who they really are.
The JW leadership has boasted about the fact that they have fulfilled a biblical proclamation "Get out of her my people" referring to "false religion". But when it helps the bottom line of their bank account, they try to sneak behind their good hearted, well meaning, but clueless followers and do exactly the opposite of (and will disfellowship for) what they demand from them.

The JW leadership tells the world that they disfellowship some of their members in an effort "to keep the congregation clean" but behind closed doors (they think) they freely associate with some of he most notorious "minority religions (cults) in existence. Just type in any search engine the names of any of the religions mentioned above as part of Firephim and read about them.

Firephim no longer exists as a legal corporation but its legacy lives on…all over the world and now in many languages.

For Barb,

Dave

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The Term- Disfellowshipped -no longer used???

by annalice in

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friends

i just got an email from a still active witness friend of mine and in it she says that they no longer use the word disfellowshipped.

they announce that so and so is "no longer " one of jehovah''s witnesses.

is this true?

seven006

RR,

I would love to see some documentation (articles or even DB links) on what you just wrote. Do you have any links to other information on it?

Dave

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Hypocricy and Two Most Dangerous Expressions

by Farkel in

nothing is more duplicitous than two expressions taught by their religious masters and used by dubs when all of their arguments have been demolished.. the first expression is "wait on jehovah.

" the second is "they're just imperfect men.

the first expression is used whenever lives are trashed by gb decisions and elder decisions and it is used when dub leaders are forced to admit that doctrinal garbage and ecclesiastical decisions are undeniably wrong.

seven006

Damn! Sorry Doug. I was still in high school when all that bullshit was going on. I only got pissed off at my mommy because she wouldn’t let me go out for football or date cute little cheerleaders babes. It was cuz the football practices would cut into meeting times and the cute little cheerleader babes weren’t one of God’s peeps.

You old guys had it rough during the olden times of the Vietnam war. No wonder you have serious mommy issues.

Fucken Freddy Brown Shoes! What a nut.

Hey! What happened to our project? I’m still waiting for your outline.

Dave

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Hypocricy and Two Most Dangerous Expressions

by Farkel in

nothing is more duplicitous than two expressions taught by their religious masters and used by dubs when all of their arguments have been demolished.. the first expression is "wait on jehovah.

" the second is "they're just imperfect men.

the first expression is used whenever lives are trashed by gb decisions and elder decisions and it is used when dub leaders are forced to admit that doctrinal garbage and ecclesiastical decisions are undeniably wrong.

seven006

“Why don't dubs stand up and recognize this hypocrisy and do something about it”

It’s called “programmed blindness” it works the best on the bungled and botched.

As Hitler said “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."
--Adolf Hitler

Looks like you’ve been on another roll lately Doug. What’s going on?

Dave

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Are Seventh-Day Adventists a better Church to belong to than being a JW

by jwfacts in

a lot of exjws need an answer to "where else to go?

" and some people seem to need to belong to an organization.

doing some research on answers.yahoo.com i noticed that both jws and mormons come in for a lot of criticism for being manipulative cults.

seven006

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"Mind" Blowing Article on Watchtower Indoctrination! MUST READ!

by What-A-Coincidence in

the author (from australia) makes some great points.. http://www.noelbatten.com/watchtower.pdf.

46 pages long.

some excerpts:.

seven006

WAC,

Don’t take it personal. You thought you found something that some may find interesting on this DB and you shared it. As far as I can see you did nothing wrong or stupid.

Con artist are not always easy to spot. They all come as wolves in sheep’s clothing, That’s their MO. This guy as well as the cult/minority religion he is trying to make a few bucks off of are exactly the same. They are both totally full of shit for a profit.

I don’t think those who “may” ridicule or ask “how could YOU believe” are specify directing that sentiment exclusively to you. I think it is just one of those cob web memory things that they may think they are directing to you but in reality and subconsciously they are directing to themselves. How could “I” ever have believed”? They will first beat themselves up over the years they spent believing bullshit before they will ever beat you up over it.

I think you did a good job posting this information and most did a good job dissecting and discussing it. That’s what we are all on this DB for. You did good.

Auld,

I’m doing better this month. Thanks for asking. How are you doing? How’s Steve?

Take care,

Dave

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"Mind" Blowing Article on Watchtower Indoctrination! MUST READ!

by What-A-Coincidence in

the author (from australia) makes some great points.. http://www.noelbatten.com/watchtower.pdf.

46 pages long.

some excerpts:.

seven006

To me, this looks to be yet another newbie zealous Christian trying to sell his own version of a personal god product. He is using the advertising industry’s technique of “positioning” as well as the age-old fire and brimstone traveling salvation show hype.

He doesn’t write like a professional psychotherapist does, or would, but comes off as a tent preacher.

He makes general statements like he is some kind of expert but it is obvious that he, “like the Watchtower he is attacking” makes statements like, what he is saying, is indeed “absolute fact” when in actuality it is just his “uninformed” opinion. He looks be trying to fight bullshit with bullshit.

He speaks of all JW songs lulling those who sing and listen to them into some kind of subliminal hypnotic trance. He has obviously not heard them sing ”We’re Jehovah’ s Witnesses”. That little ditty is a call to arms marching song and is the opposite kind of song or melody that lulls anybody into anything. It’s a musical shot of adrenalin.

The technique the Watchtower uses is a lot more like the one Ivan Pavlov used in the classical conditioning or “programming” of his dogs. Every time he rang the bell, the dogs salivated. Every time there is some bad news reported on the TV news the rank and file JW starts shaking their head and repeating the word “Armageddon” ! “Armageddon”! over and over again. That’s conditioning and programming, not hypnosis!

This guy is trying to sell something.

It is snake oil salesmen like him that do more harm in exposing the Watchtower Printing Company than good. If he wants to make a name for himself and sell a few books on cult hypnotic techniques in a bullshit religion he should at least try to learn a few things about Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard did study psychology at a university in Washington State and that is well documented as well as the hypnotic “clearing” technique use by the auditors in their cult programming.

Dave

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"Out of One, Many"

by Farkel in

for you apostate warriers, old and new, take this to heart.

if you are like me, you get discouraged from time to time what with all the noise and fluff floating around.

i can't count the number of times i've asked myself "is this worth the effort?".

seven006

“However, I have always been as sane as a cane, and I resent any inference to the contrary.”

No you weren’t!

You were a bull headed, beer guzzle’n, ice brain stubborn, pain in the ass!

I told Alan once that talking to you on the phone was like shoving ice picks in my ears.

Glad you finally got a clue. You were a chore.

I’m glad I’m out of the saving souls from the soul savers business now. I think Fark is still up to the task. I can tell by the opening of one of his last posts where he started it by saying “greetings fool”. I’m still laughing my ass off about that one. He is a classic.

Dave

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Call for Art Work for ex-members of a cult or high demand organization

by blondie in

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friends

for bryan.

an email i recieved: .

call for art work for icsa 2008 conference .

seven006

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Mormon Celestial Sex... A Quantitative Analysis

by FormerMormon in

i posted this on some mormon recovering bb's.

i'll modify it to make it a little more understandable to jw's.

this is an example of how the unerring truths of mormon doctrine meet the unerring mathematics.

seven006

I would like to ask this question for either one, or both you Mormonish guys to answer. If they are conflicting, I’ll just research it myself, so be honest or I’ll bust-ya on it(kidding).

It is known on this board that Mormon leaders encourage higher education. JW leaders do not.

My question is; is that higher education that is encouraged for mainly enrolment in Mormon/LDS colleges such as BYU or any or all colleges? Do they encourage any specific lines of study over others?

Do you think the 10% demanded/encouraged tithe is a major factor in encouraged higher education because it equals a larger pay check to tithe?

Please, wrestle among yourselves and come back with an answer. Links to any kind of proof would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you and take care,

Dave