atheism vs. christianity, a response to unanswered questions .
christian--dr william lane craig.
atheist--frank zindler.
Nicely done, Jan!
Would you please suggest some more books on Christianity vs. Atheism. I am not as of yet atheist, more so agnostic purely for the reason that I have not done my reasearch as of yet. But I'm very interested in now reading some literature regarding religious mythology, including the debate of whether Jesus really existed.
Thank you, Baby!
Shauna
dubs are always looking for an angle to make money.their probably no worse than anybody else,but they do like to preach against materialism while chasing the illusive dollar.alot of times its some form of pyramid scheme.amway for one,or the triple charge system(owned and operated by some dubs from califonia)then theres the out and out pyramid scheme.you bring in people who give the pyramid $500.00,after bringing in so many people the guy at the top get`s a $17,000.00 payout,and is free to start again at the bottem of the pyramid.i`ve known a few dubs who have collected their 17grand.the pyramid eventually burns out,and the people at the bottem are left holding the bag(no payout).they lose the money they couldn`t afford to spend to begin with.there are some dubs though,that make a good living at this.what are some of the get rich schemes you`ve witnessed(pun intended)in dubland?...outlaw
Anybody remember Melaluca? It was big among JW's in my area of Cali about 12 years ago.
i would like to get in touch with a long lost friend from that area.
last time i saw him was 1989 - scott h.. please email me!.
mak
Makena, I just sent you an email.
Shauna
well a year ago, i ended a five year relationship with a man i thought i'd marry and have babies with.
i left for lots of reasons but mainly because i'd lost myself and i wasn't really happy with him.. i moved into my own place and life has been an adventure.
i dated a 21 yr old, that was interesting haha.
Good for you Harmony! I may not be single at the moment, but I strangly feel more independent and free than I ever have. Learning about yourself is the greatest gift you can give to not only you but the person you eventually settle down with (if ever you decide).
Hey...ever think of moving here to California?!!
Shauna
bill bowen's disfellowshipping is very likely to have the same effect as the attack, by british and conscripted indian forces, on gandhi's followers who attempted to close the daramsala salt works.
this event marked the end of the british raj in india - even though the brits stayed in nominal power a couple more years.
the unprincipled and immoral attack upon unarmed demonstrators showed the world the utter lack of ethics and morals of the the british lording it over someone else in their own home.. likewise, the jw attacks, disfellowshipping of people who attempt to protect the most defenseless, the most helpless, the most innocent members of our society, is a carbon-copy of the arrogance of the british raj in india - and at the salt works that fateful day.. these disfellowshippings will demonstrate to the world the complete moral degeneracy of the watchtower bible and tract society.
While we all hope this will have a major effect on the downfall of the WT, sadly it will probably not. Remember that the Catholic Church has been dealing with this issue for years. While it has shaken the faith of some parishioners, the Catholic Church is far from being dismantled.
The same will unfortunately be true for the WT as well. While this may provide some already doubting JW's the needed push to free themselves from this cult, in reality this is only the first of many steps in the downfall of the Borg.
Believe you me, I would love for this to be more pivitol than it will be. I too know personally of quite a few who were molested as children by elders, pioneers and the like. Interestingly I never knew of it until after I left the Borg. JW Apologists claim that the number Bill qoutes is way out of proportion. Yet I bet that most have people close to them that have been affected by pedophilia...they just don't know it yet. (When my good friend finally went to group therapy 10 years ago while still a JW to deal with molestation at the hand of her father, she was surprised to see 3 or 4 other JW women also there.)
We ex-JW's are prone to get overly excited about stuff like this. We want so badly for our family and friends to take their blindfolds off and see the WT for the destructive cult it is. But I will be ecstatic if even a few wake up to the "truth" because of this issue. It will be a long road. We should all be happy for the little steps because it surely isn't going to happen all in one shot.
Shauna
i'm heading down a path i think alot of you have gone down... and i'm certainly not looking for any sympathy here.
i've read some experiences here and at other sites that shows me that alot of folks have gone through alot worse than i am.... basically, a year ago i left brooklyn bethel after a five year stint.
already sick of structured man-worship, i struggled for while to pretend, but my heart wasn't in it.
Welcome Joe! Your next steps will be quite difficult. No one here will delude you otherwise. But we can assure you that if you follow your heart coupled with your research, you will not regret the decisions you are making. The truth really does set you free...that truth just doesn't come from the WT.
Good luck to you! And don't worry, you'll have plenty of friends here for support.
Shauna
in reply to a previous post, psych said:.
there is an area where jehovah's witnesses fail to protect their.
children - blood transfusions.
Psych, why would you be willing to publicly denounce the WT's blood policy in the Wall Street journal but you criticize, no attack, Bill Bowen for his stand against the WT for the pedophilia issue?
I'm confused on how you pick and choose the issues where and how the Society is wrong. Why is one thing good to pick on while the other is not?
i give up... well amost.... simply lost my perky sparkle.
4. got a new job (oh this was the only good thing last year).
20. mom has more surgery.
Hey Moe! So sorry to hear about your tough times in the past year. You've been through more than many people can even imagine. Don't be so hard on yourself for finally feeling that you can no longer bear it. You can bear it! It sounds like you've already lived through the worst of it. Things can only get better!!!
In the meantime, focus on that one true joy in your life, your daughter. With everything you've learned in the past year, you've got tons to teach her so that she won't have to suffer as you have. Doing so will be a healing for yourself as well.
I wish you the best in finding happiness. You will and when you do, it will be much sweeter after all that you endured to attain it.
Shauna
these past few weeks i've spent a lot of time trying to decide how i want to proceed with the rest of my life.
one of my first decisions to carry out is to break free from the wts.
even though i've been a life long witness i feel no guilt or hesistation in leaving the only religion i've ever known.
Leander, I understand how you are feeling. I left both my marriage and the Org at the same time. While I would encourage you to make things right with your wife and not to be too rash...I also understand from my own situation that I was married at 18 and had never decided with full knowledge and wisdom to spend the rest of my life with my hubby. When I left the Org I knew he would not follow. I didn't want him to. The major point of me leaving everything was to finally live my own life. I had not been happily married since virtually the beginning but faked it for almost 7 years.
In the end, you alone will have to figure out the right way for you. Don't let anyone elses morals or opinions decide for you. Good luck! I wish you well in your decision.
Shauna
elder concerned called me last night.
we talked about a few of my concerns and why i haven't been to meetings/service in the last few months.
he has set up an appointment with my husband and i for next monday.
Hi lv4fer! I agree that it doesn't much matter whether you DF or DA in the sight of the congo. If it makes a difference to you then by all means DA yourself. If I had had the knowledge I do now I would have liked to make the stand and DA myself instead of getting DF'd on purpose for fornication.
How are the kids doing with this info? Have you been able to see what they think about their future in the Org without you in it?
Thinking of ya,
Shauna
