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  Here it is, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me you...

  by chapstick in

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  if all of the ex-watchtowerites and other critics of the religious bs we've been fed all our lives want to know and understand all the whys and hows of this monstrocity called the christian church, how it really came to be, what it is and what you can do about it, here it is on a neat platter.

  it will shock the sensitive ones among you (if there still are any) to your core.

  no fantacy and no bullshit here guys, this is the unadulterated truth.

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  problemaddict

  If we want to talk about curves that describe trend, people and science, the inverted U is way ahead of the sine.......just sayin.
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  Another problem for JW apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

  in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

  in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

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  Oh and the term "celebrated WT scholars".....I mean come on.

  Celebrated by who?
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  Another problem for JW apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2013 edition of the new world translation renders 2 kings 17:1 as:.

  in the 12th year of king ahaz of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king over israel in samaria; he ruled for nine years.. this is in fact a better rendering than the previous nwt, which stated:.

  in the twelfth year of ahaz the king of judah, hoshea the son of elah became king in samaria over israel for nine years.. despite their improved rendering, the watch tower society still claims that hoshea's reign 'really' began in 758 bce, but that it was 'established' in the 12th year of ahaz.

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  I really need to study bible Chronology as it relates to 607 and 1914. It just seems like such a long winding road to go down once I get started.

  I think JW;s are wrong about blood, which in turn makes them bloodguilty for their actions. Its a big deal. So after that, anything they happen to be "right" about just seems like the booby prize.

  I probably need to get deeper into some of the the other facets of the doctrine I once vehemently defended.

  Any starting points suggested by Jeffo or Scholar or Ann or all three?

  I would like to research all angles.
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  If the GB reinstated the Book study, would it take?

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been noticing in recent threads that people have been observing that the zeal has been waning among r+f jws.

  i have observed that most zealous, die hards have gone to foreign lands, or foreign language congregations, leaving the others in the stagnant english congregations.

  when you think of it, if you cared at all about bringing people into the cult, you probably would be preaching where it is fertile, the foreign field.

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  ^^^^I was wondering that same thing. Most likely just a brief moment of authenticity. SFTW, I actually thought the book study was a better alternative to the ministry school and service meeting. I think attendance would have gone way up if they abolished the larger meeting that is difficult to attend in the middle of the week, rather than the one that most closely mimics what the primative Christians actually did!

  They won't bring it back. No question. Family study night, has taken root in the volcabulary and the talk cycles. Its a done deal.
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  VERY CONFIDENTIAL LETTER - Child abuse 10/01/2012

  by WatchTower87 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  confidential letter child abuse http://adf.ly/auxbu.

  to all bodies of elders.

  the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

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  Comitee CM,

  I am glad to hear that was done the way it was. Quite honestly, I am not surprised that they did it that way. The law suits have piled up. At a certain point, they are FORCED to change the policy.

  And so it appears they have. I would argue in favor of some others comments here regarding it still not really being enough. Of course without details (which I don't really want), including the state you are in, the nature of the attack or allegation, and some other factors, it is hard to say if this is indicative of a shift on the issue, or more of an isolated issue.

  I certainly hope it signals a change for the sake of current and former victims.
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  Earthly Organization Reset - What Would You Do?

  by committeechairman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been reading and posting comments on this site for a while now (about a year) and the comments i see indicate that many who are here have good ideas about what would be required if either (1) jehovah's witnesses were completely reset and the whole framework of belief and organization were started over or (2) if a completely new organization were built.

  this assumes, of course, that you believe god exists and that he is interested in human affairs (i know some of you don't).

  it also assumes that you do not believe that the "heritage" of jehovah's witnesses has such great weight and importance that it precludes putting all beliefs and procedures on the table to examine them and change them if necessary.. given all this, what do you believe should be the beliefs and organization of true worship today?

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  I actually think there is a pretty easy solution here. No need to hit reset, no need to destroy and build. Everything can be boiled down to one particular thing.

  Recognize the WT and the publications from it are merely an "editorial" on scripture, and remove the threat of shunning if you do not act in accord with its teachings.

  Period. That means, if you don't agree with 1914, but do believe in spreading Gods name and preaching, you cna do so and don't have to mess with 1914 while being honest about it.

  You could take blood or a fraction knowing its on you if you are right or wrong. You could dismiss quackery, and non-sense previously written because its just an editorial. No more kind of sort of we are modern day Moses and going against us is Korah....refferences.

  That would pretty much do it. Someone rapes a kid or cheats on his wife a million times.......kick em out ona vote of the congregation locally. You could still have a branch or central area, but the point is you strip them of this assumed authority over others that they believe they have.

  Everything would change as a result.
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  Feedback on Letter

  by mrhhome in

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  2. friends

  looking for feedback.

  to bring you all back up to speed, wife is ex-jw.

  shunned by her brother and parts of her family at uncles jw funeral.

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  I like it. The disfellowshipping thing goes back to the mid 40's to be technical about it. it began with Rutherford. The founder of Jehovahs Witnesses in modern times never dreamed of such a thing. Maybe that is the key point to make.

  Per haps asking them to consider what it looks like to you (a non-JW), and to your extended family and friends who you discuss this with, to have a perfectly moral and good outstanding woman, shunned by her family because she does not share exactly the same beliefs as another Christian sect!

  Even at a funeral! Does he think that is a "good witness, or a bad witness".

  I'm telling you, those will be pain points. Hard to reason that it brings glory to their cause to take such a Pharisaical stand, when Jesus quote scripture saying "I want mercy, not sacrifice".
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  Strange things happening...

  by DS211 in

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  2. friends

  some strange things are happening.. 1. wife started smoking.

  2. wife agreed that the whole "clean up after armageddon while growing to perfection" thing is all speculation.. 3. as i was going to the meeting tonight (i had a part and kids are sick so she stayed in) she says "do you have to go?"..

  4. when i got home she says " i wanna go out and party..... hmmmmmm.

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  Hmmmmm indeed.

  Well that kind of shift I don't think is a good thing. Some people when their faith in a religion is lessened, they swing a rather unhealthy pace in the opposite direction. I would say embrace your wifes new found freedom, but help her to not regret it later. For it not to be hollow.

  In other words, guide her a little, and try not to let her just go nuts.

  Smoking is bad. Partying on a thursday is good!

  Maybe she just wants some of your love and attention? :)
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  Question

  by Fading Begins in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am sure that this has already been discussed, so maybe someone could direct me to the correct link.

  i just haven't been able to access this site as often as i would like.

  at the meeting tonight (i wasn't there but was told about it), the brothers were told to pack up a "survival kit" with enough provisions to last for six months - water, medications etc.

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  I haven't heard anything like this from anywhere else. Since you weren't there, are you sure its 100% accurate?
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  Goodbye and Thank You Jw Net (Last Post)

  by Brother Mike in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would like to thank everyone for the discussions that we've all had.

  after all of them i have realized, all of you have made me realized that after all of the stuff i have been through, i just need a good friend.

  and regardless of how hostile our discussion could get i have felt that you have all shared something with me that have helped me.

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  Hey Mike,

  Best of wishes to wherever your future endeavors take you. This board, and the people on it, will welcome you back at any time despite the fact you called some of them apostates.

  I knew what you comments would be before I even clicked on the thread. The ole "hey thanks for everyone here for showing me the real truth was at the hall all along" thread. We have seen them before.

  I think you should take the advise of some here, and read Cris of Conscience by Ray Franz. It is a shockingly honest and peaceful endeavor to share with others that which they rarely see on the inside.

  We do not disparage those who feel there is real love in the congregation. There are many many fantastic JW's. Many of them our friends, family, loved ones and mates. Isn't it a shame that simply because any of us no longer believe the GB speaks for God, that they would feel compelled to shun us?

  I remember someone here said something I will remember.

  "I have no problem with questions I can't answer, my problem is with answers i cannot question."