Posts by simwitness

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THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

by You Know in

the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

simwitness

Nice try, YK, however you did not answer my question in the previous thread.

1. Please present scriptural evidence that UNIQUELY IDENTIFIES the WTBS as "God's Visible Organization" on the earth. The other thread simply muddies the point of what constitutes "God's Organization". You assert that the WTBS is this organization.

I am asking you to defend your faith in the WTBS as that organization using ONLY the bible.

2. I am not particularly interested in "... stumbling blocks today that exist to provide people with all the justification they need to reject the truth as actually being the truth. " I am asking a direct question.

Is there any teaching in the bible that would specifically instruct people NOT TO FOLLOW organizations such as the WTBS based solely on their teachings? If the organizations own teachings are the stumbling block, how can they be "God's Visible Organization" on the earth? (If you need some help here, go read Luke 21 and comment on it's warnings to the followers, and contrast that with what the "organization" known as the WTBS has taught over the past 120+ years).

Edited by - simwitness on 22 July 2002 16:20:6

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THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

by You Know in

the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

simwitness

You Know...

Still waiting for a response from you on the two questions I asked.

If you do not desire to answer them, please say so.

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

simwitness

I have posted this before, and will post it agian, since it seems relevant...

One of my favorite quotes, and this sums up my feelings on the matter entirely:

I consider myself in the hands of my Creator, and that he will dispose of me after this life consistently with His justice and goodness. I leave all these matters to Him, as my Creator and friend, and I hold it to be presumption in man to make an article of faith as to what the Creator will do with us hereafter. --Thomas Paine

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Numbers Not Meaningful?

by NeonMadman in

i just finished watching the panorama report on jw pedophiles, and like many of you, i am thoroughly disgusted at the watchtower's lying, maneuvering and hypocrisy on this issue.

they are truly a wicked organization, deserving of the worst judgment of both god and man.. one statement they made that just leapt out at me was when the bbc reporter asked the person on the phone at brooklyn bethel how many names were in the society's database of pedophiles within the organization.

the response from the watchtower spokesman was that "focusing on numbers isn't meaningful.".

simwitness

You're kidding right, Hawaii and Alaska are part of the US????

And I agree, focusing on the numbers isn't important... knowing that there is at least ONE is ONE too many.

Had they really wanted damage control, they would have to say "we have NO records of Pedophiles". Admitting they KNOW about them makes them liable, in my book.

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THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

by You Know in

the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

simwitness

You Know...

1. I would like for you to present your BIBLICAL evidence that the WTBS or the group calling themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses" is/are God's chosen organization on earth today.

2. Is there any BIBLICAL evidence (or reason) NOT to follow the WTBS (or similar groups) based on their teachings alone? (this is irrespective of the current scandals that cause them (the WTBS) to need "cleansing")

I think these questions are straightforward enough for you to answer, and answer honestly.

Thank you.

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PSYCH PROFILE - ANSWERS POSTED

by Amazing in

jw
friends

dr. phil gave this test on oprah.

some folks pay a lot of money to find this stuff out.

don't be overly sensitive!

simwitness

45 here....

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Was Russell a freemason and an adventist?

by wholewheat in

jw
friends

was russell a freemason and was he a member of the adventist church?

simwitness

Excuse my ignorance here, but I know very little about the "masons" or "freemasonry".

Can someone please explain to me, why I should care if Russell was one? Or, how the potential ties to the FreeMasons makes the WTBS any better/worse than otherwise?

Thanks!

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Was Russell a freemason and an adventist?

by wholewheat in

jw
friends

was russell a freemason and was he a member of the adventist church?

simwitness

Avengers --

I didn't just suck that out of my thumb. Russell said that. So if Russell himself said he was a Free Mason, then how can you deny it? I'm not looking for a fight, but if I would come out and say I am a Jehovah's Witness and someone in the future would say, but he really wasn't, it would seem paradoxial to me. Please explain.

Perhaps you would like to share your source for that quote? Simply saying that he said it, is heresay, and not "admissable" .

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Who Killed Jesus?

by simwitness in

at festival time the prefect usually brought additional troops to jerusalem to control the crowds.

1. why did the high priest have jesus arrested?

a) the high priest thought jesus was preaching armed revolt against the romans.

simwitness

You think it's an interpretational problem? So lust, greed, hate, laziness, etc. have nothing to do with it?

No, that is not what I said. In my mind, there is a huge difference between interpeting right/wrong and interpeting what the Creator wishes. Man has a very bad history of this second type of interpetation.

There is no person living that can tell you what will happen after we "pass on". There is no one living that can say absolutely "this is what the creator intended". We can only assume (and hope) that we get it right.

I believe that the Creator gave us all the ability we need to "properly understand and live within his law". I also believe that his law is incredilby simple, but simple does not give man power over other men.

From a theological (Christian/Bible) standpoint, I agree that we are all responsible for Christ's death, in that we need it for our salvation, and that the Creator sent his son to save all of us.

From a technical standpoint (cause - effect) I am simply saying that had Adam not sinned, then the Sacrifice would not have been needed. Unless you are saying that sin was inherint in all of us (from the very beginning) reguardless of Adam's act. (that would be the "bug" in the code). (This could be my old JW "training" still incased in my brain, hard to say... )

Free will? Certainly. Freedom from responsiblity for my own actions? Absolutely not.

In any event, what the article pointed out to me was more detail surrounding the "reality" at the time of Christ's death, and wasn't meant to start a theological debate about the meaning of it.

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Who Killed Jesus?

by simwitness in

at festival time the prefect usually brought additional troops to jerusalem to control the crowds.

1. why did the high priest have jesus arrested?

a) the high priest thought jesus was preaching armed revolt against the romans.

simwitness

Yerusalyim,

No, I get that, without question.

However, if Adam had not sinned, would the sacrifice have been needed?

I humbly accept the gift that the sacrifice means, but I am not "reponsible" for it's being given. I accept responsibiltiy to act accordingly with the reciept of that gift.

Willy_think

Only one issue, God created us, he should have been able to create within us the ability to properly understand and live within his law. (after all the first law was to avoid a single tree....pretty simple). I would counter that it is only man's interpetation of what the Creator intends that causes the need for "salvation". I do not feel responsible for his death, since it was a "bug in the code" that caused his death to be needed. However, I am very grateful for the fact that the Creator has provided a "patch".