Is there no hope for truly understanding the universe?
If a person believes that we were created by a supreme being who is in control of and fully understands the universe, he may reason that we were created with the ability to also understand the universe.
But if we are not created and have just evolved as part of a natural prosses why should we asume that our brain should have any grasp on a true understanding of things.
How can we know that our brains just are not in tune or cannot grasp any of the fundementaly important concepts that case this universe to exist?
Maybe in trying to understand the universe we are just tying ourselves up in knot trying to know the unknowable?
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9No hope for understanding the universe?
by sleepy inis there no hope for truly understanding the universe?.
if a person believes that we were created by a supreme being who is in control of and fully understands the universe, he may reason that we were created with the ability to also understand the universe.. but if we are not created and have just evolved as part of a natural prosses why should we asume that our brain should have any grasp on a true understanding of things.. how can we know that our brains just are not in tune or cannot grasp any of the fundementaly important concepts that case this universe to exist?.
maybe in trying to understand the universe we are just tying ourselves up in knot trying to know the unknowable?
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Flooded Kingdoms of the Ice Age - re: The Flood
by Celtic invery interesting documentary on channel4 this evening, all about the sunken kingdoms, civilisations off india's east and west coasts.
both of these sunken cities are only now being seriously underwater archaelogically surveyed.
the one on the east coast is of massive dimensions, incedibly technologically advanced civilisation pre dating anything else thus far seen.
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Graham Hancock is back on telly then.
He has been writen off as a crank by many historians and archeologists ,but seems this time to have toned down his ideas a bit.
I actually think there could be something to his latest idea.
If there were civalisaions before the end of the ice age then I would expect them to live on the coast as it is a good place for a town to be situated.
Of course when the ice melted they would have been flooded.It would have seemed like the end of the world to them.
But was there really a man like Noah where all these flood stories originate?
How can the Indian story be conected to the biblical and sumerian story?Maybe they are one and the same story and not seperate legends as wideley believed .
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Will Cloning Disprove the Resurrection?
by metatron inok, we take a skin cell from you.. we use its nucleus to create a clone - of you.. we train it in all your memories and abilities.
we use "false memory" techniques to convince the clone.
that its memories are real.. is it you?
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Metatron,
There is a problem with this statment"we use its nucleus to create a clone - of you."
We first need to define what the "you" is.
Can scientist make a copy of "You" or just a simiar or identical body structure and are they the same thing or not?"There's no "you" appart from your neural conections. If someone could manage to reassemble each and all of your neural conections 100 years after you pass away, that person would feel the same sense of continued existence that you feel each morning when you wake up
I think the problem arises when the concept of "you" is contemplated in a prospective way; in my opinion, it only makes sense in a retrospective way."Joseph Joachim this statment is based on too many asumptions"There's no "you" appart from your neural conections"
If anyone here thinks he can explain conciousness then please tell me first how I see.
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The rotten review
by sleepy inplease answer the following questions true or false.. 1. the people of sodom and gomorrah might or might not be resurrected.. 2. charles russell was part of the faithful and discreet slave of matt 24:45.. 3. samuel gave king agag a pat on the back and a pardon for his errors.. 4. noah had no trouble feeding the lions in the ark as they were happy with a crispy salad.. 5. at armageddon the ground will open up a swallow naughty children and disabled people.
any left over will cooked alive like a roast ox by fire from the heavens.. 6. when adam first met eve he thought that god had made a mistake and put his spare rib in the wrong place.. 7. j.f.rutherford was known as a kind and gentle man and like moses he didn't like to mention his humility.. 8. scientist are only noteworthy when they agree with us.. please fill in the blank space with the correct word or phrase.. 8. only the anointed remnant born before ________go to ____________.. 9. jehovah's witnesses are ___________allowed to think their own thoughts.. 10. jehovah's reveals truth to the governing body by means of __________.. 11. the average iq of a jehovah's witness is ___________.. 12.________________.. 13_________ with your wife is fornication.. 14. the society has always been willing to ___________ its mistakes.. please chose the correct words from the choices given.. 15. when children made fun of elijah he(said "well it doesn't matter they are only children"/gave them a bag of sweets and asked politely for them to stop/called on jehovah's to get a big angry bear to rip them to shreds).. 16. reading the latest history book you notice that jerusalem was destroyed in 607bce do you(investigate further to make sure what you believe is true/point this out to the society with the evidence and hope they will see they are in error/just ignore it like the rest as we all know scientists are crap and the watchtower writers have the highest iq's on earth).
17. worldly people should be viewed as ( people would are just like us but have a different viewpoint/people who always have sinister and bad motives/the evilest scum of the earth who will be blasted to kingdom come by jehovah's of armies).
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Please answer the following questions true or false.
1. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah might or might not be resurrected.
2. Charles Russell was part of the faithful and discreet slave of Matt 24:45.
3. Samuel gave king Agag a pat on the back and a pardon for his errors.
4. Noah had no trouble feeding the lions in the ark as they were happy with a crispy salad.
5. At Armageddon the ground will open up a swallow naughty children and disabled people. Any left over will cooked alive like a roast ox by fire from the heavens.
6. When Adam first met Eve he thought that God had made a mistake and put his spare rib in the wrong place.
7. J.f.Rutherford was known as a kind and gentle man and like Moses he didn't like to mention his humility.
8. Scientist are only noteworthy when they agree with us.Please fill in the blank space with the correct word or phrase.
8. Only the anointed remnant born before ________go to ____________.
9. Jehovah's witnesses are ___________allowed to think their own thoughts.
10. Jehovah's reveals truth to the governing body by means of __________.
11. The average IQ of a Jehovah's witness is ___________.
12.________________.
13_________ with your wife is fornication.
14. The society has always been willing to ___________ its mistakes.Please chose the correct words from the choices given.
15. When children made fun of Elijah he(said "well it doesn't matter they are only children"/gave them a bag of sweets and asked politely for them to stop/called on Jehovah's to get a Big angry bear to rip them to shreds).
16. Reading the latest history book you notice that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE do you(investigate further to make sure what you believe is true/point this out to the society with the evidence and hope they will see they are in error/just ignore it like the rest as we all know scientists are crap and the watchtower writers have the highest IQ's on earth)
17. Worldly people should be viewed as ( people would are just like us but have a different viewpoint/People who always have sinister and bad motives/the evilest scum of the earth who will be blasted to kingdom come by Jehovah's of armies)
18. We show love to disfellowshiped people by(talking to them and encouraging them/Have less association with them but still treat them as friends/look away every time you see them never utter a word to them completely cut them off like they are contaminated by an deadly scourge even if they are your mother or father and are dying in the street)
19. If a doctor wants to give you a blood transfusion (He is concerned for your health and trying his best to help/he has more medical knowledge than you a you should trust him/his actions are like he is rapping your weakened and frail body by forcing evil blood into your veins which could turn you into a murderer or fornicator within hours , that is unless it kills you first)
20. We know the gentle times ended in 1914 because(If you take week and turn it into a week of years take a year not to mean 365 days but 360 days then change a day for a year then change those years into a different length then count to 10 quickly do a hand stand do the hockey cocky and turn around count the number of hairs on Rutherford's head divided by the number of watchtowers eaten by native tribesmen in Africa go to the highest mountain jump off into a glass of water, kill a lion and open its stomach remove the contents and eat it go to the toilet and look at the shape of your poo draw it and paint flowers all around then look in the insight book and you will see it takes you to 1914/forget it its a load of crap)How did you do?
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Parallel universes?
by sleepy ininteresting hozison programme on bbc2 last week about how new evidence is coming out that there may be parallel universes that are "needed " to explain our own.. once prominent physicist belives our universe "borrows" gravity from another universe.. but what really is happeing in physics , can it really tell us the truth about our universe?.
it seems that a lot of physics is philosophy.you think of an idea that could explain phenonoma and then see if you can make it work with mathamatics.. but as more and more complex theories are coming forward and are used to explain how the universe works it seems that any grasp on the truth of the matter is getting further and further away.when you start invocking parallel universes to explain things where do you stop?.
it seems that at least for now the universe is unexplainable.even without parellel universes you still cannot explain the origin of the universe , were it came from or why it is here.which ever way you go you get to a point in which you can never test or measure to see if you are right.. if there are parallel universes then do these need other universes to explain them?.
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I seem to be coming more to the belief that ultimatly things are explainable.At least by our brains.
In fact why should our brain have the capability to understand things it has no way of measuring?Another thing, althought it may be true that there are other types of universe that still doesn't mean all things are possible just spread out over different universes like was claimed in the programme.
There is a difference between all things concievable and all things possible and we don't know what all things possible are so we carnt say that any thing can happen , just as long as it is somewere else.But putting that aside what I found very interesting was the thought that the particles we are made of exist between our universe and others.
So if there are universes slightly different or even very different and these universes can sometimes mix ,how do we know that part of ourselves doesn't exist in other different universes?
Maybe when we die we live then in another universe, or when people see visions or ghost this is an experiense of other universes , or God , angels or aliens.
There we are back to what people have believed for thousands of years , when they needed alternate universes to explain things.
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Gutted/excited/gutted/excited/gutted/ex...
by sleepy inhow did you feel when you first learn the real truth about jehovahs witnesses.. was it a relief did you feel excited about all the things you were going to do or try?.
or did you feel absolutely gutted , years down the drain, no paradise you won't see your dead parents again?.
did you initial feelings last or have they changed?.
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How did you feel when you first learn the real truth about Jehovahs witnesses.
Was it a relief did you feel excited about all the things you were going to do or try?
Or did you feel absolutely gutted , years down the drain, no paradise you won't see your dead parents again?Did you initial feelings last or have they changed?
I remmeber feeling relieved and happy first , then dispondant.
I now go through waves of feeling happy and released and at other times I feel sad at the mistaken dreams and time wasted and sorry for friends and family still there.I'm not used to feeling up and down like this.
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are you different on the net?
by gilwarrior inin real life i tend to be shy, but stern when i have to.
i don't really show the way that i really am.
sometimes i am moody and get anxious in social situations.
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Ya.
In real life I can spell I always make sense am very funny dont smell and am also very rich with a big house and lots of cars.I even own my own island with a castle on the middle full of scantily clad ladies to assist me with every task.
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Parallel universes?
by sleepy ininteresting hozison programme on bbc2 last week about how new evidence is coming out that there may be parallel universes that are "needed " to explain our own.. once prominent physicist belives our universe "borrows" gravity from another universe.. but what really is happeing in physics , can it really tell us the truth about our universe?.
it seems that a lot of physics is philosophy.you think of an idea that could explain phenonoma and then see if you can make it work with mathamatics.. but as more and more complex theories are coming forward and are used to explain how the universe works it seems that any grasp on the truth of the matter is getting further and further away.when you start invocking parallel universes to explain things where do you stop?.
it seems that at least for now the universe is unexplainable.even without parellel universes you still cannot explain the origin of the universe , were it came from or why it is here.which ever way you go you get to a point in which you can never test or measure to see if you are right.. if there are parallel universes then do these need other universes to explain them?.
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Interesting Hozison programme on BBC2 last week about how new evidence is coming out that there may be parallel universes that are "needed " to explain our own.
Once prominent physicist belives our universe "borrows" gravity from another universe.
But what really is happeing in physics , can it really tell us the truth about our universe?
It seems that a lot of physics is philosophy.You think of an idea that could explain phenonoma and then see if you can make it work with mathamatics.
But as more and more complex theories are coming forward and are used to explain how the universe works it seems that any grasp on the truth of the matter is getting further and further away.When you start invocking parallel universes to explain things where do you stop?
It seems that at least for now the universe is unexplainable.Even without parellel universes you still cannot explain the origin of the universe , were it came from or why it is here.Which ever way you go you get to a point in which you can never test or measure to see if you are right.
If there are parallel universes then do these need other universes to explain them?
This could go on for ever.
It is not it seems cranks that are using these theories but the most respected of scientists.
It reminds me of a disscusion I once had on the ministry where a guy explianed to me his belief that what ever you belived was true.
I said if this were true I could never know it as I didn't believe it was true and therefore in my universe it wasn't true.
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Those who get df'd or drift away but don't know.
by sleepy init amazeses me just how many people have stopped going to meetings or get disfellowshiped yet still believe it is the truth and live under a burden of guilt for many years.. should we not be targeting these ones as they one day in a low emotional state will probably drift back to their "mother org"?.
i know of many people who left the truth even for more than 20 years and then went back.. they in all that time never looked at or came across any information to help them.. one of my friends went out of the truth over 10 years ago( he was not baptised), he then started studying about 2 years ago , got baptised a then within a year left again because he realised it was wrong.yet in all that time before he never came across any info to show it wasn't the truth and now has to go through all the hassle of leaving after being baptised.. so is there a way to target those who have left or been disfellowshipped?.
maybe a web site focusing on them?.
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Is this a record for someone driffting away and then coming back?
In my old hall just before I left a man had started to return to the meetings and was giving talks a going on the min.
He had last been to the hall ( and was baptised) BEFORE the second world war and was now back .He was in his middle 70's.
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Rain , rain ,rain, rain ,rain ,rain ,rain.........
by sleepy inrain , rain ,rain, rain ,rain ,rain ,rain.......... will it ever stop raining over here in britian?.
how do the rest of you brits feel?
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Rain , rain ,rain, rain ,rain ,rain ,rain.........
Will it ever stop raining over here in Britian?
How do the rest of you Brits feel?