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(ok lets add this on)do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?at what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

this may have been discussed before but i'm not sure.so sorry if it has.

sleepy

Does Ray Franz owe us an apology? (Not, Ray Franz owes us an apology)

(Ok lets add this on)Do those who are or were governing body members have a greater amount of responsability than witnesses in general?At what point do we stop being victims and become instigaters?

This may have been discussed before but I'm not sure.So sorry if it has.

Anyway does Ray Franz who was once part of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses,that governed our lives, owe us an apology for the part he played?.Maybe he has apologised, (Though I can't remmeber that standing out in his books, but I might have missed it)or was he just a victim like us?Should he do more to help witnesses, or has he done enough or is there no more he could have done?

Does he share in the blame for the governing bodies disissions that resulted in the deaths of witnesses due to refusal of blood , persecusion(Malawi)etc.

Have you forgiven him?

If we do hold him partly responable, how do you feel about your part in preaching the message of jehovahs witnesses, are you responsable for other peoples deaths and messed up lives,by say, taking a stand on blood and giving talks praising pioneering ;and encouraging others to do the same?

Edited by - sleepy on 1 August 2002 11:47:17

Edited by - sleepy on 1 August 2002 12:28:11

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hands up ex-pioneers

by sleepy in

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so how many here were pioneers?

ha ha ha.

i used up my teenage years pioneering, good thing i didn't go to college or university i could be well educated and in a good job.poo.

sleepy

Matty sorry regular-aux don't count.Oh ok then yes they do , actually I was only a regular aux .

So then what did you do to count your time, at what time exactly would you count?

I would start time from first door knocked to last, and then minus any breaks.I used to find the calls that were spread furthest out and walk to them, even thought I knew they probably werent going to be in.

I had trouble doing many RV's as I never believed anyone was that intrested, which made it hard to get my time in.

Now I can see that the whole idea of counting time was stupid.If anytime was to be counted it should have been from the time I washed and put my suit on to the time I took it off.I wish I'd thought of that then.

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what did god do before he did anything?

by sleepy in

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i remmember the idea that god has been around forever, to be a bit confusing as a witness.. does this really make sense?.

heres two reason why it doesn't.. 1.what was the first thing god did?.

so either it wasn't the first thing , if there is not a first thing god did see point 2,or god had a begining.

sleepy

I remmember the idea that god has been around forever, to be a bit confusing as a witness.

Does this really make sense?

heres two reason why it doesn't.

1.What was the first thing god did?

So what did he do before that?

So either it wasn't the first thing , if there is not a first thing god did see point 2,or god had a begining

2.If you have been around since infinate time in the past , there would always be infinity untill now, so we would never get to this point in time.

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hands up ex-pioneers

by sleepy in

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so how many here were pioneers?

ha ha ha.

i used up my teenage years pioneering, good thing i didn't go to college or university i could be well educated and in a good job.poo.

sleepy

So how many here were pioneers?

Ha Ha Ha

I used up my teenage years pioneering, good thing I didn't go to college or university I could be well educated and in a good job.poo.

Kind of ironic how the "spiritualy weak" actually got the best deal.

Edited by - sleepy on 31 July 2002 8:47:20

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I once was a Jehovahs witness

by sleepy in

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i once was a jehovahs witness.

who believed some crazy things, now get this.

soon will come armageddon, to kill you all dead then.

sleepy

I once was a Jehovahs witness

who believed some crazy things, now get this

soon will come armageddon, to kill you all dead then

the new order , life forever in blissness

abstain from all blood,christmas, bithdays and stuff

or the birds will have your insides for breakfast

but scratching my head, I thought it's better instead

to live life now, and sod all that business

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Men only.

by TruckerGB in

drug warning.. police warn all clubbers,partygoers and unsuspecting pub regulars to be alert and stay cautious when offered a drink from any woman.a new date rape drug on the market called beer is used by many females to target unsuspecting men.

the drug is generally found in liquid form and is now available almost anywhere.. it comes in bottles,cans,from taps and in large kegs.. beer is used by female sexual predators at parties and bars to persuade their male victims to go home and have sex with them.typically,a woman needs only to persuade a guy to consume a few units of beer and then simply ask him home for no strings attached sex.men are rendered helpless against this approach.. after several beers men will often succumb to desires to perform sexual acts on women to whom they would never be normally attracted.after drinking beer men often awaken with only hazy memories of exactly what happened to them the night before,often with just a vague feeling that something occurred.. at other times these unfortunate men are swindled out of their life savings in a familiar scam known as a relationship.

it has been reported that in extreme cases,the female may even be shrewd enough to entrap the unsuspecting male into a longer term form of servitude and punishment referred to as marriage.. apperently,men are much more susceptible to this scam after beer is administered and sex offered by the predatory female.. please!

sleepy

As a recovering victim of the devastating effects of this this notorious drug, beer, I can understand what other men are going through.

My wife knew what she was doing.

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Our Jw's lives, evidence of no free will?

by sleepy in

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do humans truly posses free will?

most of us look back on our lives as jw's and cant believe what we believed and did , so why did we do it?

maybe we didn't realy choose , it only seamed like we did.

sleepy

Do humans truly posses free will?

Most of us look back on our lives as JW's and cant believe what we believed and did , so why did we do it?

Maybe we didn't realy choose , it only seamed like we did.

Maybe Jehovahs witnesses are the result of human flaws and limitations which we have no power over.

1.All humans are flawed.

Nearly all humans have emotional desires, boh genetic and environmetaly governed.Desire and emotion drives humans to act.Knowledge can also produce emotions which drive humans to do things.Without emotional responces a human will find it hard to do anything apart from the robotic processes of the body (breathing , blood circulation etc)! (See "Phatoms in the Brain."V.S.Ramachandran.There are many other books that discuss similair issues)

The flaw is your emotional driving forces are not always linked to what is true or right but what you desire whether good or bad for you.

Through out history people due genetic makeup or upbringing have desired various people, objects or power.Jehovahs witness are a product of some individuals desire to be Gods spokes man on earth, some peoples desire to serve a god, some peoples desire to live on earth for ever (and other desires)

2.All humans have limitations.

We are largely limited by what we know, and what we can know.

Some people are raised by God fearing parents, some by atheists.Some people are able to learn a vast amount of information about the world others are limited for various reasons (poverty, location, lack of intelligence).We are limited in what descisions we make by what we know about a given situation , and by what we are able to know due to time resources,desire and ability.

Some people may posses good knowledge of the religious general history,history of jehovahs witness, sience , nature or many other things.What knowledge you posses then can change your emotional driving forces.Like wise what want to learn is also linked to your desire for various types of information, which may lead you down a dead end path.(see pint 1)

So when a human has a certain emotional desire couple with a certain ( lack of) knowledge he is a suitable candidate for being a Jehovahs witness.Other desires or mixes of desire and knowledge will lead people down different paths in life.

Your emotional drives and knowledge can change through life due to the effect of both these "forces" on each other and contact with other people with different knowledge and desires .

What humans do with their lives is largley down to these above factors.

So is free will just an illusion?Are the acts that we feel like we are choosing to do , selected for us by our brain due to factors such as genetic make-up and environment?

Well maybe there is more involved.But these factors do play a large part.Our life as jehovahs witnesses was probably impossible to avoid at the time.

Now however our circumsatnces have changed.Getting the right knowledge to the right people is very important, as Jehovahs witnesses well know.

So when we look back on our lives as witnesses , and cant believe what we have done, well thats because now we would never be driven down the same course, our knowledge and desires have changed.We are now unable to be witnesses.So even thought it feels like we could choose to be witnesses , the fact that we won't, shows that maybe its not a choice at all!

Edited by - sleepy on 29 July 2002 17:30:30

Edited by - sleepy on 29 July 2002 17:43:34

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Why do the Governing body remain unknown?

by sleepy in

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why do the governing body remain unknown to witnesses in general?.

i used to think that the fact that the gb promote themselves (personnaly by name) in the magazines and don't name writers of watchtower articles, was a sign that the governing body was humble and meek.. but why did they take this policy?russel and rutherford were certainly not unkown.when did the transition happen?.

my theory is that this annomimity is use to make the magazines look like they are not aurthored by men.if an article appeared with the writers name , witnesses may choose to reject what is writen as they can see it was writen by a man.but not nameing the writers makes it hard for witnesses to identify the writers as just human like them, and gives the impression the magazines and books have a divine source.. any other ideas?

sleepy

Why do the Governing body remain unknown to witnesses in general?

I used to think that the fact that the GB promote themselves (personnaly by name) in the magazines and don't name writers of watchtower articles, was a sign that the governing body was humble and meek.

But why did they take this policy?Russel and rutherford were certainly not unkown.When did the transition happen?

My theory is that this annomimity is use to make the magazines look like they are not aurthored by men.If an article appeared with the writers name , witnesses may choose to reject what is writen as they can see it was writen by a man.But not nameing the writers makes it hard for witnesses to identify the writers as just human like them, and gives the impression the magazines and books have a divine source.

Any other ideas?

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why do I leave everything half done?

by sleepy in

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why do i leave everything .... oh sod it, lets do something else.

sleepy

Why do I leave everything ...

Oh sod it, lets do something else.