Although the "it's a figurative number" line may be used, does it really add up? Does it really make sense? In the numerology of Revelation you have single numbers, then you have the 24 elders, then you have mentioned 12,000 from each tribe of Israel connected with the total number 144,000. It would be more feasible to stick with a literal number approach for most interpretations in the book, considering Jesus will rule for a literal 1000 years. This stupid "figurative" approach makes no sense whatsoever. It's either a number, or it isn't!
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting
by slimboyfat insay it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
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I can't see this happening unless they were releasing a revised Revelation book! Then in that instance they would have an excuse to change their doctrine concerning the 144,000.
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Half hearted JWs compared to past generations
by JohnR1975 inis it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.
when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .
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ukpimo
If you truly believe the "good news" was so important, you would never keep it to yourself. You would want everyone to hear it! That is one of the motivating expressions in the past which made me truly believe I had the truth. What can jws of today honestly say about their motivation? The religion is not a club, but now it seems very much to be. If only it can be reformed.
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Fully Colored Version of My Book of Bible Stories
by Nosferatu indoes anybody know which edition of "my book of bible stories" had the fully colored pages?
i'm pretty sure it came out late in the book's life, but i'd like someone to verify which one it is..
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ukpimo
Actually OP is correct, many images in the original Bible Stories book were in greyscale. I think an early 1980s reprint included full colour photos. This was in line with new colour printing methods used for the second version of the You Can Live Forever in Paradise On Earth book.
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WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...
by careful in... is just three weeks from this saturday.
the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.
now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.
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I will attempt to retrieve a live link so that it is available on this forum and exjw reddit, and I will provide it to AvoidJW website. However, if someone else beats me to it, I would be most grateful!
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Sorcery = Pharmakeia
by KerryKing inrev18:23 '....you deceived the nations with your sorceries'.. the interlinear for sorceries reads pharmakeia.. bible hub has some interesting definitions, i'll try to share screenshots below.
the gist of it is that sorcery involves drugs/medicines/poisons, with or without spells, sorcery is not the same as witchcraft or divination, or white/black magic.
i have long wondered about the connection between the medical/pharmaceutical industry's symbol of the serpent wrapped around a pole/stake, and the use of the word pharmaceuticals/pharmacy.. considering the common use of fluoride in public drinking water, nsaids with side effects such as depression, brain fog, dizziness, and opioids, mrna gene therapy, vaccines and so on, i wonder am i going mad, are these all coincidences??
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ukpimo
Modern medicine is a fascinating research project. I would say that medication and forms of vaccination are created on the basis of one purpose: commercialism. It is true that "money makes the world go round". Religion survives through commercialism. Studies surrounding education on evolution survive through commercialism. Cancer research survives through commercialism. Modern technology survives through commercialism. Holidays such as Christmas and Halloween survive through commercialism. Big pharma survives through commercialism. And even food and drink survives through commercialism, because most humans would not have the capability of collecting and providing their own food and drink from the ground up in this modern era. We are entirely dependent on big businesses, the Banks, as well as governments, to provide us with the veneer that the availability of good medication means the world is getting better, when in fact the world has always been the same, human lifespan has generally remained unchanged. The only thing that has really changed is the degree of greed humans exhibit.
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Listen obey and get vaxed
by JohnR1975 inthe truth is most active jws would probably agree that most of the teachings are not right, the new thing is that we just don’t know.. the governing body now say they get things wrong and make mistakes as they are not inspired and not infallible.
yet they are still to be trusted no matter what?.
they are not trusted.
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KerryKing,
That is unbelievable and blasphemous! A visiting speaker using the analogy of getting vaccinated as if it were comparable with the life-saving sacrifice of our Lord Jesus? Medications are not without potential health risks. Clearly, the speaker was unaware of the Thalidomide scandal.
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2025 Convention Theme leak
by ukpimo inaccording to the next boe letter to be read at next week's midweek meetings in the united states,.
the theme of the convention for next year is.
pure worship.
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According to the next BOE letter to be read at next week's midweek meetings in the United States,
The theme of the Convention for next year is
PURE WORSHIP
And yes, this is legitimate!
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CSA comment regarding COE can be applied to Watchtower
by ukpimo inhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gj77pvwwo.
interesting cover up.
makes me sick to read.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gj77pvwwo
Interesting cover up. Makes me sick to read.
Notice this paragraph.
It was the “tipping point” for Rowena Pailing, who quit as the cathedral’s vice-dean and head of safeguarding, ending a nearly 20-year career with the Church of England.
“I couldn't work for an organisation which put its own reputation and the protection of alleged abusers above the protection and care and listening to victims and survivors,” she tells the BBC, speaking publicly for the first time about the case.
Oh how such a comment describes the jw organization! We need more balanced articles like this published exposing the org rather than the unstable and off-putting articles some exjws write for the media. This is more professional and subtle!
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Current UK circuit overseers by area
by ukpimo ini have been reading through old threads discussing circuit overseers from the past.
i saw a photo of a list from the mid 2000s someone took at london bethel, which was helpful for that time.
i'm extremely interested in compiling a list of current circuit overseers from across the uk, seeing that the circuits had a massive change in recent years.
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I have been reading through old threads discussing Circuit Overseers from the past. I saw a photo of a list from the mid 2000s someone took at London Bethel, which was helpful for that time.
I'm extremely interested in compiling a list of current Circuit Overseers from across the UK, seeing that the circuits had a massive change in recent years. Any ideas how we can do this without outting ourselves?