Posts by ukpimo

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20250115**Ages For Ministerial Servants and Elders!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2025-01-15-ages for ministerial servants and elders.. see page 2. .

https://pdfupload.io/docs/1b0b5c00 .

https://imgbox.com/p3a9yjmr.

ukpimo

hoser

I'm really sorry to read your experience. None of what you say surprises me at all. I fully agree with your opening statement that there is an entire lost generation of jw males shut out of the program. In the early days, and even now, there have been many elders who have viewed being an elder as a form of honour and coming of age in the org. I've seen too many elders take themselves too seriously, to the point that they willingly went against what the Society (WT Headquarters) said to them in favour of their own man made direction when they didn't agree and then when the circuit overseer visited they changed some rules back to how it should have been and they always pretended to be overly encouraging, overly enthusiastic about the ministry, which was their form of ass kissing to avoid scrutiny. Then once the circuit overseer left, it was back to square one. Sometimes congregation publishers complained to the co, who always told them to have a "more positive mindset" or "wait one Jehovah". Then he would mention at our meeting with him during the visit about all the complaints to confirm if they were true. Of course, the body always denied the accusations and claimed some publishers had "mental issues". In time, we did have a brute of a circuit overseer who saw through everything and cracked the whip, humiliating all the pompous elders I worked with. Once he left, it only made them quieter, more cynical and sinister, and one of them came off as an elder due to "illness". Some of the older elders I knew still serve, and are hanging on for dear life, still believing the end will come soon and faking all the smiles and laughter to blend in with the new JW Broadcast generation when I remember quite clearly the self righteous bigots I had to work with. Their entire personality is fake and self serving, with no love of God in them. Their existence in the org is simply to keep the show running, because they have nothing else better to do so late on in their life. Leaving would not only destroy their decades long family ties, it would also probably kill them off prematurely due to the fact the idea of having "the truth" seems to keep them alive for a little longer.

I'm so glad I don't have to deal with the stupid elder politics anymore. I'm equally glad I don't have to kiss the filthy asses of those ugly circuit overseers who just caused factions for the elders. The unity thing is just a facade. The GB are splitting at the seams frantically to keep everyone in line, but they know it's impossible to completely achieve this.

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20250115**Ages For Ministerial Servants and Elders!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2025-01-15-ages for ministerial servants and elders.. see page 2. .

https://pdfupload.io/docs/1b0b5c00 .

https://imgbox.com/p3a9yjmr.

ukpimo

Good. As a former elder, I think this is a beautiful slap in the face for the self righteous and pompous twats I used to serve alongside who loved to put lots of good men off being appointed for many years. Now they are gradually being forced to comply. I wonder how many elder bodies will initially resist this change until the Governing Body takes the appointment process power completely away from them and place it solely on the circuit overseer? That's my speculation as to the next organizational change to force more jws to OBEY at all costs.

Edit - Some ridiculous reasons the body I served with put men off being either ms or elder: ties were too colourful, the wife (attractive woman) was "overly modest" (in other words, we want to see her curves to see her as a woman and mother), only been married for 2 years (a big wtf moment for me). Another man was put off for appointment simply because he kept telling us he was doing everything he could for the congregation and was begging to know why he wasn't being appointed as an elder (it was sad, there was nothing spiritully wrong with the man, some others on the body just didn't like his personality and used everything and anything against him behind his back).

Another man was put off for appointment as a ms because he used golfing as a hobby (can't let him avoid putting the Kingdom first), then when he changed his lifestyle and started going to the gym, the Body authorised me and another elders to counsel him as "bodily training is only beneficial for a little" LOL.

I have more which I will eventually share.

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JW Vaccine mandate: The contrast between voices of reason and confusion

by ukpimo in

i was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.

another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.

ukpimo

therealtonymorrisiii 's "alternative medicine cult" within jws actually made me laugh out loud. Jws are inherently anti medicine anyway because we were taught to reject "worldly" thinking and behaviour. Most jws simply are programmed to mindlessly obey, as are society in general. The majority of professionals who actually practice prescribing medicine are mostly clueless on how it will effect each of their patients. They may know some facts, but they are fallible, just like the Governing Body!

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JW Vaccine mandate: The contrast between voices of reason and confusion

by ukpimo in

i was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.

another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.

ukpimo

Boogerman,

I fully agree!

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JW Vaccine mandate: The contrast between voices of reason and confusion

by ukpimo in

i was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.

another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.

ukpimo

I do believe that money was involved. There is no way to prove this specifically at this time, however the leak of the letter to full time servants is incriminating.

It's a shame that this letter along with the directive cannot be leaked to the press. The media is hugely politicised, which means that any of the main outlets would probably view this as a non story. Much corruption in government and religion has largely contributed to this stubborn attitude and closed minded nature people have against anything construed as a "conspiracy theory". This phrase has been overused beyond its dictionary definition to apply to anything that conflicts with popular beliefs. And we all know Jehovah’s Witnesses are a master of that with their own terminology!

In fact, no one dares question it, otherwise society will view you as an evil or an outcast! All these twisted, unsubstantiated false stories of "ill" unvaccinated children cause pro vaxxers to demonise anyone who is against the covid vaccine. The message? "How dare you!" Finger pointing techniques, logical fallacies and appealing to emotions rather than reason. You have to question everything to be an independent thinker. Even when something appears to be a fundamental truth, it could be so due to social pressures or culture. Never trust everything you believe to be true, it could change tomorrow. The average mortality rate and rate of infection from disease has largely remained unchanged for centuries with no vaccinations. The human race would have died out thousands of years ago if the quality of living was so bad and primitive compared to now. Politics are a human invention to control the masses. Humans were meant to breed and survive, not as primitives, but as intellectual people of free will, not bound by any culture, creed or tradition imposed upon them.

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JW Vaccine mandate: The contrast between voices of reason and confusion

by ukpimo in

i was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.

another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.

ukpimo

I was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum I do not with to sign up for, as I'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/

Another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card. Yes, when you use the words conspiracy theory you can drive up confusion and support, much like the account at Acts 19:23-41, which will be discussed at meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses this week:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hx5u1z/can_we_please_stop_the_vaccination_bullshit_on/

BT book this week:

When they recognized him as a Jew, they shouted him down, repeating the chant “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!” for about two hours. Religious fanaticism has not changed since then. It still makes people completely unreasonable.—Acts 19:28-34.

Likewise, we could say that political fanaticism is the same. It makes people completely unreasonable. Of what benefit is it to someone to be reactive and impulsive to defend a belief, whilst using logical fallacies? It reveals they want to hide and defend an insecurity which they had. They are insecure that people have other viewpoints, perhaps more educated ones than others. The rebuttal post on reddit goes to explain that it is nothing more than an unreasonable and emotional reaction to a well educated post by someone who actually did their research. Long may these well written posts continue and may we always protest the evil that Watchtower placed upon its full time members and others who were on the bandwagon, the vaccine mandates during the pandemic were the biggest divisive mistake the Governing Body has ever made, even more so than failed predictions about when the end will come!

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Beliefs clarified - A big fat WTF for 2025

by ukpimo in

jehovah’s witnesses have an official page for clarified beliefs they encourage elders, ministerial servants, regular pioneers, as well as all the rest of the elite, to keep up to date with:.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174.

2025 has a curious clarification:.

ukpimo

Jehovah’s Witnesses have an official page for clarified beliefs they encourage elders, ministerial servants, regular pioneers, as well as all the rest of the elite, to keep up to date with:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174

2025 has a curious clarification:

Marital Intimacies W25.01 13

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200277174/247/0

The Bible does not provide details as to what sexual practices between a husband and a wife should be considered clean or unclean. A Christian couple must make decisions that reflect their resolve to honor Jehovah, to please each other, and to maintain a clean conscience. Generally speaking, a couple would not discuss with others this intimate aspect of their marriage.

This should be posted to other exjw forums, including Reddit.

This is very vague with a broad meaning, it could be implied that this encompasses many sexual acts that could have been viewed as "debased" by jws in the past. Any jw reading this "clarification" may now legitimately claim the Governing Body are allowing oral, anal, amongst other sexual acts previously frowned upon.

The 10 year plan or whatever plan they have about oral sex being acceptable has come true.. Thoughts?

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IICSA Final Report

by Phizzy in

the english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.

to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.

the first and last sentences.

ukpimo

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3743

Follow this link for updates. Ironically, the JW website now has a front page article -

Is protest the answer?

Protest can be a powerful force for change. But is it the solution to injustice, corruption, and oppression?

If this is Watchtower's attempt at guilt tripping loyal jws or exjws who are victims of child abuse who worked so hard to raise awareness of CSA and the need for mandatory reporting, they can well and truly piss off and I hope they enjoy the legal implications!

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Alteration of Revelation 3:14 in the 4th century to support the emerging Trinity doctrine

by slimboyfat in

in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.

this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.

the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.

ukpimo

It never made sense to me that God would simply create a human incarnation of himself to shed blood as a figurative sacrifice to pardon sin and save mankind. And better still, it doesn't make too much sense why he sent an "angel" to do the same thing. This legalistic approach viewed by Christians as some expression of love is very strange. Watchtower literature does in fact admit that Jehovah himself created death and he himself pronounced the death sentence on Adam and thus all of his descendants. Yet, to whom is the ransom price paid to? It isn't Satan! Watchtower would shudder if it suggested that! Actually, WT Publications show that the ransom price (to pay the one holding someone hostage) was actually paid to none other than Jehovah himself. So God got his oldest Son to do the dirty work for him, to make everything appear as if there was some kind of loving process to free mankind from sin, when in fact it was Jehovah who enslaved mankind in sin in the first place. Yeah, who would want to worship a God like that?

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Pre-Nicene christians and the trinity

by joey jojo in

this is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.. in 325 ce, the nicene council was called by constantine to settle schisms within the christian church.

the argument about the nature of jesus in relation to god was one of the big problems that needed resolution.

at first, constantine told the 2 main players, alexander and arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, constantine didnt see it as overly important.

ukpimo

The very fact in the early times there were 2 sides in the debate, non trinitarian and those who leaned towards what would develop into the trinity doctrine, and that if you weren't allowed to express belief that Jesus was essentially God then you would be tortured, even killed, was testimony to the fact that Christians prior to this time did not equate Christ with God himself. However it seems apparent that if a Christian did express a viewpoint about the divinity of Christ contrary to the majority of non trinitarian Christians in the first century, he wasn't necessarily removed from the congregation. It was in fact Paul who identified them as "antichrists" and introduced a new concept to the church that such individuals were to be "marked", treated with caution. These Christians who had a different view regarding the divinity of Christ were still viewed as "brothers", but from Paul's point of view they were "false brothers", still not subject to "removal", unless they disagreed with one fundamental doctrine: the resurrection of Christ. This doctrine was the only one that had to be believed in every Christian church. The Trinity was not and never should have been a fundamental doctrine. It should have been allowed as an alternative viewpoint, subject to correction.

The fact that Trinitarian Christians demonise their members for having different viewpoints reveals that they are no better cults than Jehovah’s Witnesses. True Christianity encompasses all viewpoints on doctrine. Sad to say that all Christian religions, as well as other religions, are more concerned about money than anything else.