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  Probably a dumb question.

  by els in

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  i've been lurking around reading pretty much all of the posts for probably a month.

  i just registered and set up a profile which has a brief synopsis of my life.

  well the first thing i want to ask is, what does dub stand for?

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  Dear Elsie,

  Swan, Neither of my kids is baptized. Sean, who is younger probably doesn't even remember going to meetings. I have never even studied with either of them. I guess I just let them form their own opions about God and everything else because I was always told what to believe. And guess what they are both wonderful people. The funny thing is that a couple weks before I told them about Sean my sister was telling me how she and my parents thought my kids were the most respectful of all the grandchildren, there are 12 in all. Then my mother goes and says that she WAS proud of him. Well you can't be proud of someone without giving credit to the morals that make them the way they are. By that point Sean had been doing Army Reserve weekends for 6 months and that had alot to do with who he is now.

  If your son was never baptized then they can't disassociate him. He may be a disapproved associate, but that means that your relatives can talk to him, but they may indivdually keep him marked, and be careful around him. That is my understanding. They cannot disfellowship you for supporting your son. (Well they can, but they will have a hard time defending that position.) You can always defend your position by saying that he wasn't baptized, he joined, and I support him in his decision because he is my son and I love him. They can't argue with that.

  It sounds like you still want to talk to your relatives, so don't disassociate from the JWs. It means everything to them and you have nothing to gain by it. Don't play by their rules on this one. You may want to play by their rules on other things to keep from being disfellowshipped. What I mean by this is don't admit to Xmas, birthdays, anything like that. Only talk about your son. Tell them that you support your son. You support his decisions because he is your son. You never joined the military, so it isn't your decision. Use the link on passive resistance posted above. It gives you every advantage and puts an extreme burden of proof on them.

  Good luck. I hope you can pull it off. We are always here to help you through this.

  Tammy
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  Wild Weddings

  by VeniceIT in

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  i'm watching wild weddings on tlc.

  omg the things that go on ohh god.

  this one guy just fainted right before the vows because he had such a bad hangover hahaha.

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  I happened to see this last night too. It was very interesting.

  The ex-partner of the one groom, after 19 years of living-together and two children, who ranted during the wedding was very interesting. I at first thought she was a mean and spiteful bitch, but as the story progressed I saw that the bride and groom were not faultless in the whole "affair." This woman had been treated very cruelly by them, and so had the groom's daughters. The one daughter didn't get to be a bridesmaid at her own fathers wedding. She wasn't even invited. You began to understand her pain, the betrayal she had suffered, and you began to see that the bride and groom got exactly what they deserved.

  Others definitely didn't get what they deserved, although I think a few of them should have just postponed. They had the opinion that "the show must go on" and they really should have been in the hospital. And that one fellow who fainted should definitely get a different barber!

  Tammy
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  Probably a dumb question.

  by els in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been lurking around reading pretty much all of the posts for probably a month.

  i just registered and set up a profile which has a brief synopsis of my life.

  well the first thing i want to ask is, what does dub stand for?

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  Swan

  Dear Elsie,

  First of all, welcome to the board. Second, there are no dumb questions here. It's only in the JWs that you get beaten up for asking questions.

  They were content to let it slide before, but now it seems some in your family may not choose to ignore this. These elders certainly aren't. I heard that disassociation was used in the cases of baptized persons who entered the military, but now they seem to want to apply it to the parents of people who enter the military. Is your son even baptized? Unfortunately, now that they have your scent, they may never let go of you until they either get a letter of disassociation or find a reason to disfellowship you. Either one will cut you off from your JW relatives.

  Just last week I talked with a couple that had move 1000 miles away and tried to just go about their own business. It wasn't enough for the JWs. They had to have a letter of disassociation or find a reason to disfellowship them. Some manage the slow fade, but others, especially those with active relatives, find this very hard to achieve.

  I am sorry that they have to be so black and white about this. I wish I had better hopes to give you. It sounds like you should prepare for the worst.

  Tammy
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  What Is Your Favorite Overlooked Movie?

  by gilwarrior in

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  what i am talking about a movie that you thought was great, but is mostly forgotten by most people today.. well, my favorite overlooked movie is "a perfect world.

  " in it kevin costner is an escaped felon who escapes from prison with another felon.

  they then break into a house and kidnap a boy who is a (gasp!

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  And the envelope please...

  Favorite Overlooked Comedy: The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert

  Favorite Overlooked Sci-Fi: Time After Time

  Favorite Overlooked Western: Quigley Down Under

  Favorite Overlooked Drama: Phenomenon

  Favorite Overlooked Romance: Hanover Street

  BTW: Another movie that mentions JWs is Throw Mama From the Train.
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  Organ Transplants and Vaccinations Changes

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  below is a list of watchtower quotes about organ transplants and vaccinations!.

  any comments on these life-destroying flip-flops?.

  these changes show how dangerous it is to believe in the watchtower's blood policies, and all of their other evil policies and rules!.

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  To this day I do not know for sure which vaccinations I did and didn't get as a child. Just one more aspect of being a person raised in "The Truth."

  Tammy
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  Excited, surprised and thrilled

  by Lady Lee in

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  yesterday i was at the book store and picked up a book titled recovering from sexual abuse, addictions, and compulsive behaviors.

  i thought it would be great for my job.

  i was sitting in the tub earlier reading the preface, acknowledgemetns and introduction (yes i read those).

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  Damn! I should have got an autograph before she became really famous.

  Tammy
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  Wild Weddings

  by VeniceIT in

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  i'm watching wild weddings on tlc.

  omg the things that go on ohh god.

  this one guy just fainted right before the vows because he had such a bad hangover hahaha.

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  (((Venice))) Z

  Get Well Soon!
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  Seattle Times reporter calls about more victims

  by Mulan in

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  bruce baker, who led the press conference a week ago, in seattle, just called to tell me that the reporter who wrote the article for the seattle times, had called him to say there were 36 victims who replied to her after her article came out.

  they all have told her the information is correct, but that they are fearful of "coming out" because they are still active jw's, and are in fear of being df'd.

  she is planning an in-depth article in the times to correspond with the march on september 27.. stay tuned.

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  That's really wonderful. The news is reaching the right people -- the victims.

  Tammy
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  Why so much mental illness among JW's?

  by cherjcd in

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  i have just added an audio tape on mental illness among jehovah's witnesses by jerry bergman.

  http://www.jwinfoline.com/page/audio_tapes_of_month.htm.

  it is interesting to hear the reasons why jehovah's witnesses have a much higher rate of mental illness than the normal population.

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  Swan

  Could it be that to keep people in their mind controlling they have to reinforce repeated messages that the person is a lowly wretched sinner and it is only through God's kindness, which they do not deserve, and their meeting every ever-changing requirement of about a dozen old men in New York that they can ever hope to find any happiness in their pathetic miserable lives, and this low self-esteem perpetuates self-talk that reinforces depression, anguish, self-loathing, etc.?

  Hmmmm. No, maybe not. Nevermind what I said. I'm just a nobody.

  Tammy
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  (shamelessly) Its My Birthday!

  by Sirona in

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  its my birthday and i got some anais anais body mist, a buffy "watchers guide" book, and some angel innocence perfume and shower mousse.. my bf says he will buy me an outfit when i'm better, too,.

  russell grant says this about people born on 14 september:.

  at their best, people born on september 14 are tremendous party-givers and general planners of fun and great holidays.

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  Happy Birthday Sirona! t