Posts by startingover

a few weeks back, in the midst of the haiti tragedy, much discussion took place in cyberland about the tolerance [or indeed the insistence on] suffering by a loving god.

the furor over haiti has settled a bit [as unfortunately most tragedy is wont to do far too quickly in the human mind], but this persistent matter continues to chew at my subconscience.

today i came across this:.

I've seen discussions like this go on and on. Bottom line, everyone on this thread is going to get old and die and cease to exist, like it or not. I know it's hard for some to accept, but that's reality.

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"Does the Christian God Exist?"

by leavingwt in

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last night, author and ex-christian, john w. loftus debated dinesh d'souza on the topic, "does the christian god exist?".

below is loftus' opening statement.. .

in every single case dineshs response will be pretty much the same.

startingover

Thanks for posting LeavingWT. Very well written argument IMO.

Trouble is, as a believer in a Christian god, my eyes would have glazed over after the first paragraph. Did you really read the whole thing Snowbird?

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Music of 1960's and Early 1970's

by Farkel in

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thanks shamus.

i forgot i needed to load ie to put up a youtube video.. there was such great music in the 1960's and early 1970's it's hard to remember them all.

here are two great ones from that era.. in my lifetime there has been no period of less than a decade that has produced anywhere near the amount of great music that was produced in those years.. farkel.

startingover

Black Oak and Jim Dandy! Classic! I had heard he was David Lee Roth's inspiration, but I had never seen him live. Looks like it could be true.

My offering, great modern version by George himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xRNJmgPO9M

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Confessions of a Teenage Jesus Jerk

by Rabbit in

now...this guy has the ring of truth in his words, as i remember it.

i wonder, too, is tony 'present' here ?.

http://www.sfweekly.com/2010-02-03/culture/awkward-armageddon-confessions-of-a-teenage-jesus-jerk.

startingover

I can sure relate to that!

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DISHONEST debates and discussions are everywhere!

by Terry in

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people don't listen when you talk to them.

ever notice that?.

the silence while you are speaking isn't listening.

startingover

TD, your comment about knowing a position you are arguning against so well you could argue for it really hit home with me. Any time I have a discussion with my JW wife, what you say is true, and it ticks her off when I mention that I know what she's going to say. It's just really hard to sit there and listen to a long explanation when I already know that position.

Thanks for the link, going to take a look at it later.

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An announcement from the Watchtower?

by ThomasCovenant in

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to be read by the co-ordinator of the body of elders at the earliest opportunity to the whole congregation, a copy of which is to be posted on the kingdom hall noticeboard and preferably local and national newspapers.. to the worldwide brotherhood of jehovah's witnesses;.

dear brothers and sisters,.

it is with a heavy 'heart of wisdom' that we address you all today.. we have thought long and hard, and some of us even prayerfully, of how to bring out this latest 'new light'.. for many years now we have taught what we thought were delightful words of truth.

startingover

The Worldwide Church of God did it so it is possible.

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The True Believers Don't Like Me! Buahahahahaha

by Elsewhere in

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there is a new scam going around with a company called steorn that is claiming to have invented a "free energy" device called orbo.. they've been working on it for six years, yet all they have to show for their work is a little plastic motor that is powered by a battery.

(yeah, how is it free energy if they are using a battery?

i made my own youtube video response to all of the orbo believers.

startingover

Got a link? Never mind, it just showed up.

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GETTING SUCKED IN? Ask the right questions to get the right answers.

by Terry in

it is too easy to get sucked in to the wrong argument at the wrong time.. asking the wrong question leads to the wrong answer.

a wrong answer does nobody any real good.. i once had a heated discussion with an old friend who is still an active jehovah's witness.. he came back at me with this:.

"okay, then--if jehovah's organization is a false religion, where is the true one?

startingover

This really is a good thread, I'm glad it came back to life. Definitions seem to be the problem here. Has a christian out there somewhere ever thought about putting out a dictionary with christian meanings, because the meaning of words that I am used to apparently don't fit in that world.