Posts by startingover

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Divine Flan of the Ages - Recipes for Disaster [with thanks to Punk of Nice!]

by ziddina in

crap..... now i can't think of anything... .

uh, wait a sec..... take one young upstart greenhorn clothing store magnate who reads the bible and has tons of arrogance and self-righteousness.. marinate him in a "doomsday" atmosphere, such as a "second-day adventist" environment, until he's thoroughly loopy.... carefully extract him from that stew and place him carefully in a special echo-box surrounded by yes-men,.

throw in a few "end-times" dates, and let the whole mix simmer, occasionally adding a few suckers - er, followers, until the end time runs out - er, the timer runs out..... let him stew in his own juices, exposing him to a hot kitchen warmer as the embarrassment of his false predictions puts heat on him.... then bake in an oven of heated public opinion, due to his scandalous behavior towards an underage girl and his very public divorce.. serve with half-truths and contradictions.... next up - baked rutherford steeped in whiskey - gin - wine - beer - and whatever else you've got, that's alcoholic!!.

startingover

I'm sure enjoying this thread.

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Independent verification of Mexico Vs. Malawi

by Knowsnothing in

i posted on manki's crisis of conscience thread the following, and decided it deserves a thread of it's own (giving it was completely ignored, lol).

i'll give you a head start, manky.. http://tearsofoberon.blogspot.com/2009/10/mexico-military-and-jwsthe-truth.html.

under the subheading 6.0 lies and exaggerations, he goes on to say this:.

startingover

Marked

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I think we have it backwards

by lrkr in

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you know how when people come out of being a jw they say things like- but the bible is a good book- its just the religion that is bad.

or when describing muslim extremists commit some atrocity, people say- the religion is bad- but the koran is a good book.

or when you observe orthodox jews abusing members of their family- it is said- its the religion that is confining and doent allow leaders to be held accoutable- but the torah is a good book.. i think we have it backwards!!

startingover

I agree Enough said

23

The Crux of the Matter For Me

by MrDarkKnight in

it has been very interesting and beneficial reading the posts and comments of everyone on the board since i joined back in june of this year.

the recent efforts of mankeli have made me consider exactly what it is i have issue with when it comes to the teachings of the wtbs and jehovah's witnesses.

i have stated my background before: 38 years in the organization, 10 years at bethel in responsible positions, 15 years an elder with circuit and district responsibilities and parts on circuit and disctrict assemblies, a former member of the hospital liason committee and a presiding overseer for 5 years.

startingover

For years I have said that 607 is my main issue. But really #4 deserves that spot. How absurd indeed.

Great thread BTW, it really lays out the main issues in a few short paragraphs.

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Is it God, the Bible or just the Dubs?

by Slidin Fast in

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startingover

I think this paragraph is all important and always ignored by believers. Thanks for posting it Qc.

The Fall myth is the entire basis for the Atonement myth that followed in the NT. The disgusting idea that butchering an animal would pay for breaking religious rules , I.e. that something else living can be forced to act as makeweight in a divine court of justice allowing the lawbreaker to continue Scott free, reaches is most immoral and shocking climax when expressed as human sacrifice. Why so many cultures seem to favour this immoral practise is a subject for another thread but it is a sign of a retrograde culture that makes up a supernatural need to murder someone else.

Shades of Grey, thanks for the honesty. You wanted to believe in Jesus so you found a way. I suspect that is the case with most believers. I personally base my beleifs on reality no matter where it takes me.

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

startingover

History has been made at the top of the previous page, AGuest actually made a post without her condescending (Peace to you). Check it out.

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

startingover

You could have eliminated pages and pages of gibberish if you would have said this earlier:

in fact,there is another choice: that the Most Holy One of Israel has never promised to solve the ills of THIS world... but only those of certain people IN this world.

For all those fence sitters out there as I once was, this admission may just allow them to get rid of all their superstitious beliefs.

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Video of my Circuit Assembly visit!

by serenitynow! in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ttprya0kk.

this is the video my apostabuddy put together about last week's caper.

enjoy!.

startingover

Just bumping it up to find out about Traverse City

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Video of my Circuit Assembly visit!

by serenitynow! in

jw
friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ttprya0kk.

this is the video my apostabuddy put together about last week's caper.

enjoy!.

startingover

Serenity

Do you happen to know what part of MI the ones attending were from. Traverse City by any chance?

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Christians Please Explain

by AK - Jeff in

since leaving all organized religion, all superstition, all acceptance of deity, i have a terrible time truly understanding 'religious' thought.. i really do.. how is it possible for thinking people to just accept, without proof, all they accept?

this morning i overheard a conversation between two christians in a coffee shop.

they say to me 'dad, what's wrong with just being a nice, good person?

startingover

Sizemik said:

What I don't believe defines me I guess . . . which is strangely opposite to those with a firmly held religious belief.

What I don't believe . . . is that there is a higher power responsible for the way things are . . . with malevolence, benevolence, all knowing, all powerful. I don't believe in a God that rewards and punishes while presiding over this randomness. It can no longer make the slightest bit of sense to me on the most basic level. It has all the hallmarks of a human concept . . . inspired by human needs. Maybe it's fear of the unknown, fear of death, survival, the need to dominate, personal comfort, whatever.

What I do know . . . if a God reveals himself in some way . . . through physical evidence or miraculous revelation (even a voice from within would do it if I was confident of my sanity) . . . and that God made sense to me in the context of the world around me . . . I would gladly choose him.

Exactly how I feel about the situation. I just want to add concerning the last 5 words in that quote, I have uttered those words too. But if a being like that emerged and was anything related to the bible god, I would sooner die than believe and worship. At this point things have gone on much too long and too many games have been played for me to be involved.