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  Change and Challenges Facing the Watchtower

  by eric356 in

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  2. beliefs

  some of you may have seen my previous thread of almost the same title.

  i've thought a bit more and formatted my thoughts into a longer essay.

  change and challenges facing the watchtower.

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  startingover

  Excellent essay! It's tough to write something like this unbiased, but I think you have done it.
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  Tribute to GB in Feb 1st public Watchtower

  by dozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the gilead graduation.......... one graduate read a touching letter of appreciation from the class.

  in part, it.

  stated to the governing body: as a class, we have observed firsthand how you have lovingly.

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  This takes me back to an MS school I atttended. At the end, another MS got up and read a letter praising the GB much like the letter in the OP. Where did that letter some from? I don't see how there was any time that this apparent brown noser could have written the letter himself, and if he didn't do it, who did? The rest of us certainly weren't consulted about it before it was read. And I can't imagine any of the powers to be lettering him get up and read a letter he personally wrote. I have asked around and no one can give me an answer.

  The letter in the OP begs the same question.

  I just saw Snake's post above. Where do you think a letter like the one I am referring to came from considering it was a one day event?
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  When was the last 7-Day Convention held?

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know when the watchtower held the last 7-day convention?.

  these conventions lasted from 9am to 9pm every day for a whole week, except perhaps for sunday.. they were mostly held in open-air stadiums and people had to endure the burning heat during the day, and the cold at night.. it took endurance to sit throughout the whole thing.. making people attend those things really was an expression of love from the watchtower!

  did the watchtower drop right away to the 3-day program, or were 5 day conventions held for awhile?.

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  I believe it was up until the late 60's, and they were 8 days, 9am-9pm. I don't remember how long the lunch break was, but I do remember the long tables where you ate full meals standing up off metal trays. Imagine them trying to pull off something like that now.
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  My journey to atheism

  by Awakened at Gilead in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've blogged about my path from missionary to atheist on freeminds - see the latest post here: http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/a-gilead-grad-s-guide-to-leaving-jws/from-missionary-to-atheist-how-is-that-possible-part-1.html.

  i haven't shared this aspect of my journey in an organized fashion, so please let me know what you think.... .

  cheers!.

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  startingover

  I for one really appreciate your blog as I have come to the same conclusions. You have expressed your journey better than I could have. Thanks!
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  It Is Not the First Time

  by AGuest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to the household of god, israel, and those who go with, may you all have peace!.

  i have not been posting "a lot" lately (not that i post a lot, considering the averages) and there is a reason: i have another bit to share and just wasn't up to the "fight" that usually comes when i do so.

  so, i had to take a step back and let our lord refresh me a bit and give me the strength... and flint-y forehead... that i would need to follow through with this post.

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  I guess what I'm really getting at is, there are several paragraphs you posted of the words spoken to you. As these words were being spoken to you, did you write them down immediately as they were being said? It seems to me that it would be next to impossible for a person to write down that much dialogue some time after the words were spoken with any degree of accuracy.

  If however these words were spoken to your heart, then I hope you can understand how people like me are skeptical of where these words came from.
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  It Is Not the First Time

  by AGuest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to the household of god, israel, and those who go with, may you all have peace!.

  i have not been posting "a lot" lately (not that i post a lot, considering the averages) and there is a reason: i have another bit to share and just wasn't up to the "fight" that usually comes when i do so.

  so, i had to take a step back and let our lord refresh me a bit and give me the strength... and flint-y forehead... that i would need to follow through with this post.

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  After reading the OP, I just have to ask. Did JM say, "I have something to tell you, go get some paper and write it down so you get it right" with an audible voice? Is it something that you could have recorded for others to hear?
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  Help me become a real CRAZY FUNDIE ATHEIST parent!

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello friends!.

  once in a while you hear about fundie atheists, and i have desided to become one.

  but i need a bit of advice.. you see, apparently the fundie atheists are as messed up as their worst religious "fundie" counterparts, so i got some expectations to live up to.. i have desided to focus on how i should raise my child, since the religious dickery i hate the most has to do with how children are raised.

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  Scully, thanks for defining what I wanted to tell her.
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  How many JW's left after the 1925 debacle?

  by middleman in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm very interested to see how many left because the "proclaimers" book said it was very few.

  it's my understanding that there were over a third that left but i'm not sure of this figure.

  if anyone has this info it would be much appreciated-hopefully with a source for verification.

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  Cofty,

  I think your comments about their achieiving "cult" status at that time are right on. My grandfather got involved in 1910, from what I know of him I firmly believe he was attracted to the pyramid measuring thing, but before his death he made documented comments that he was having a hard time with what was going on. He happened to be close friends with one of Rubberfarts henchmen, which I firmly believe accounted for him being among the 25% that remained after the 1925 debacle. But as the numbers Leolaia posted shows, the numbers started to go up shortly after, and I suppose it would be easy, especially if you had a powerful friend, to just go on with it. In my grandfather's case, it appears that it was about 10-15 years before the changes started bothering him.
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  Where did 607 come from?

  by MrFreeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  okay so we've obviously established on this board that 607 is not the correct date that babylon destroyed jerusalem.

  even before 1914 came around, the bible students still thought 1914 would be a pivital date.

  the only way they can gain that info is from the 7 times or w/e.

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  Whenever these threads develop and scholar is involved, I can't help picturing him sitting at his keyboard, typing away saying "If i just ignore what they say and type this, watch them get all excited. I can just do this over and over and they will respond everytime." I'm not saying I don't appreciate the many posts by those in the know on this subject, it doesn't take long in these discussions for anyone other than those with JW blinders firmly attached to see the real issues.

  I really think you do more harm than good Mr. Scholar if your goal is really to prove the WT is right. Those with enough interest to actually look into what is being said can see that your arguments don't hold water. OTOH, if you expounded your arguments at the local KH, there would be little or no interest. I guess from that viewpoint if you truly are interested in this subject, it would make sense to come to a place like this where you could actually carry on a discussion about it.
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  Help me become a real CRAZY FUNDIE ATHEIST parent!

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello friends!.

  once in a while you hear about fundie atheists, and i have desided to become one.

  but i need a bit of advice.. you see, apparently the fundie atheists are as messed up as their worst religious "fundie" counterparts, so i got some expectations to live up to.. i have desided to focus on how i should raise my child, since the religious dickery i hate the most has to do with how children are raised.

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  Tec,

  I have to admit it really gets under my skin a bit when you are quick to jump in promoting Jesus when in reality it doesn't seem like he's really given you direct answers. I guess I don't understand why this Jesus character gets all the credit you give him.