i called an old friend of mine the other day who is an ex-jws and now a devout born again christian.
i was just calling him to say hello because it has been about a year since we last talked and before i could say "hi carl" every other word was "jesus"" jesus" "jesus" "jesus".
i could not get in a word edge wise without him blasting me with "jesus this" and "jesus that".
My list of Born-Again Christian friends is growing and we spend plenty of time not speaking of these subjects because we enjoy so many other interest and hobbies!
Golf, Tennis, Running, Botany, Sci-Fy, Movies, Fishing, Camping, ect.............
We are growing together without the anti-friendly attitude the WT taught us to hold towards any one who is not a JW!
whether you're a former jw, or active jw, or some other religion, or atheist, what do you say?
do you fear death and, whether yes, no, or i don't know, why?
have changed religious views changed your view of death?
Cold-Steel, did you see the X-Files episode on the "Star Children"?
whether you're a former jw, or active jw, or some other religion, or atheist, what do you say?
do you fear death and, whether yes, no, or i don't know, why?
have changed religious views changed your view of death?
Cold Steel, I heard your same reasoning from the early twenty somethings to thirty-five year olds. Now that time has past, I went to meet a few friends who told me in 1980 "I could never live forever, life would get boring" and now they are in their low 70s and their viewpoint has done the classic 180 degree turn.
Not once did any of these men say "I am now ready to die", most laughed when I asked them "Do you remember when you said you wanted to die by the time you hit 50 years old and you said to me "Kill Me, If I Ever Hit 60!". Everyone of these men is rich, has kids and grandchildren and very happy, the group wish they could become 30 again and live another 50-100 years or until they get bored. Since most of them are very educated and have scientic minds, I will never believe they could get bored even if they lived to be 500 years old. They are always studying, learning, researching, two great botanist, one of the group is going back to school to teach.
From your response to Lois, you must be no older then thirty-five. I think if there is something beyond this world, our minds won't be bored or needing the constant bombardment of social media or entertainment devices glued to the youth's faces I see today. I hope the Force of the Universe will leave the Kim Kardashians, OctoMoms, Honey-BoBoos and E Movie stars out of my Universe.
I think everyone fears death, the depths of everyone's fears differ due to faith or hope in a reward in the after-life or confidence you are just going into non-existence or "Star Dust" for eternity. I will return to the state of meta-energy, the force that pushed the Universe into action, I can hope at least!
first of all, here is a good link with some information.
http://perimeno.ca/letters_1107_osce.htm .
so, has anyone actually spoke to their elders about the un and the osce from a confused sheep angle?
Hi Data, in the last three months I have talked to five JWs who know this and lied about the Watchtower joining the UN NGO. What scares me is I have family with degrees (if two of my siblings did their dissertation, they would have phDs and they both were gifted in school) in hard science, and they will not research this issue.
Data, we were not allowed to get a hot towel from the YMCA because we would be joining a evil entity whose goal was to trick the Christian World because anyone who joined the YMCA was a homosexual, just ask Goofus the Elder who used this screwed up analogy to compare the YMCA to the Village People! I have no idea how brother Goofus was able to connect the two, "join the YMCA and become a homosexual like the Village People, only in JW Theology!"
How can you turn your brain you polished at school for ten years and allow the men from the Tower to control your mind? I am having more success with non-degreed JWs than those with higher educations who will not entertain the idea the Tower made a bad mistake (Treason to Jehovah and Jesus Christ) or blasphemy to Jehovah God! I wish you success because you are going to need this, they will be looking for any tale-tell you are part of the "Evil Slave" Class to dump you out of their sight. Please watch your tongue and act confused!
i bought a large container of strawberries.
my daughter is disfellowshipped.
may i consider it "necessary family business" to give her some of them to share with my grandchildren?
stilin: Most elders are not following the radical views held by Caiphas and his leaders in Bethel, so feel free to drop off those Mt Hood Strawberries and enjoy your time with your grandkids!
been away visiting a friend who is very sick, they are scared they are going to die and worried and afraid they committed the unforgiveable sin.
how come it does not surprise me many of their friends at the kingdom hall stopped calling this high performing former pioneer and ministerial servant?
over the last six months he asked to be taken off the list for responsibilities and asked for consideration to battle with a relentless disease that will not go away.
You are a real treasure Lois, how do we explain to a person they have not committed "Blasphey against the Holy Spirit" because they were thinking evil thoughts about God because they blamed him for their disease?
I feel we are all far away from him, the Organization has cornered the Market with making our former brothers and sisters feel weighed down with guilt and worthlessness once they step off the Watchtower's constant-treadmills of standing in place. I will pass on your hugs and kisses to him tonight, it's 11 pm PST and he will be calling at 11:45 according to the email he sent me. Ty for your possitive vibes, we have such a great group of people on JWN, thank you Lois!
Lois you ever watch comic DC cartoon? All-Star Superman was released in 2011 and you can watch it free online, it's a fun Superman and Lois Lane episode were Superman gives Lois some of his DNA and she becomes Super Lois Lane! Thank you again!
the japanese have been helping get the yen above par $1 equals 100 yen, and the usd blew right through the yen on thursday 100.6 yen to $1.00 with no problem!
the japanese are going to have a edge with exports but their currency will have problems purchasing crude oil which is remaining very constant priced.. .
gold bugs are going to get hammered, those who are stakeholders in the companies extracting the gold at $600+ a ounce, are heading into the classic crushing they are finally due!
The Japanese have been helping get the YEN above Par $1 equals 100 YEN, and the USD blew right through the YEN on Thursday 100.6 Yen to $1.00 with no problem! The Japanese are going to have a edge with exports but their currency will have problems purchasing Crude Oil which is remaining very constant priced.
Gold Bugs are going to get hammered, those who are stakeholders in the companies extracting the Gold at $600+ a ounce, are heading into the classic crushing they are finally due! What's your thoughts Gold Bugs and let's get a good talk going!
I think we talked about this a year ago, did we not?
i like terry's topic about noah's day not being armageddon enough.
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Billy's idea might go over the average JWs head, we are no longer seeing the strongest of the links in JW Theology. Billy, how many of the younger JWs are able to find Hosea, Nahum or tell you what the book of Obadiah is about?
They could tell you what flavor of the day "Starbucks or Pete's Coffee" shops are serving today but they have no idea "what times they are living in!".
How long until you graduate? The count-down begins Billy, any job head-hunters doing a "meet and greet" at your college? Good Luck with your finals! Peace my brother!
since i joined the forum i noticed more than a few people have not been posting, what is going on?
i received a couple of emails from other groups asking me to join their new forms with a promised technology, i wondered how they got my email address and thought it be strange.. .
people during the first year of a great change might post daily to any support chat or message board they feel is going to aid them.
5go, very plausible!
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-21/features/ct-prj-0421-letty-cottin-pogrebin-how-friend-sick-20130421_1_printers-row-journal-activist-sick-friend.
q: one of the first hurdles is knowing what to say and what notto say when a friend is first diagnosed, when the friend gets bad news, or when the illness goes on for months or even years.
give us the three most essential of your "10 commandments for conversing with a sick friend.".
I wish I would have read this before I posted my story on another thread, this will teach me to read the first five pages before I post.
Thank you Blondie, this is what i was looking for to help with my friend with cancer!
I was out in Field Service in 1981 and we knocked on the door of a man who had two months at the most to live! The sister started to tell this man, Sister Goofus: "You don't know honey what it's like to have this "Korns on my feet, they hurt like hell and it's a battle to get out of bed everyday!" Sister Goofus started to try to get sympathy from a dying man, because she had Korns on her feet!" Mom became enraged!
To the credit of my dear mother, she said "What are you saying, this poor man is dying of cancer, he can't speak without coughing from those tumors pushing against his neck and you have the nerve to speak of your korns! Are you insane!" My mother lost it, she ripped this sister up in front of this dying man and the sister said "I am going to walk home if you really feel this way!" Mom said "Be my guest! If you are that selfish and heartless to mention your Korns to a dying man in excrutiating pain be my guest!"
Mom and "Sister Hypochondriac did not speak for ten years until this sister died of liver cancer" and realized how dumb she was. This was one time, i felt proud to be in Field Service with a old army tank (Mom) who crushed over this foolish sister and her tactless selfish attitude.
Mom was always the driver for the pioneer sisters, so this sister lost her free ride around town and free lunches Mom usually made for these nutbags!
By the way, Mom was asked to call on this man four times a week to bring encouragement, gingerale and any new literature. Mom would sit on his porch swing with me (age undisclosed) the dying man and reading him the Bible Scriptures, books and anything for two hours to three as she cooked him meals and cleaned his house free of charge! I know what you are thinking, the reason he allowed my mother to do all the preaching and reading the Bible, was the free meals and house cleaning.
This was not the case, after his death and out of the blue, she was called to his reading of his Will. He left my mother some antique plates and other odd items for no apparent reason than real kindness to the sick and dying. She wanted nothing but to bring this man comfort on his dying days, and he made two friends (me and mom) who enjoyed his company even though it's not a pleasant experience for a youngster to smell the rotting flesh this cancer did to his body.
