Posts by Sunspot

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ATTENTION WATCHTOWER MONITORS

by D8TA in

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i was born in to your so-called visible earthly organization.

you taught me well; with the intimate details in the machinery you call the society.

you assumed that your strict exercises would suppress my ability to achieve a free mind.

<<Your current cover-up mired in your Theocratic Warfare double-speak involving issues of pedophilia? Exposed. Your “clean organization”? Tarnished. Your power over millions? Eradicated. The very vultures YOU created will pick your naked shell of a corpse that once was called The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society apart. The time for self-glory is at an end, not by prophesies, but by your OWN hand. By your OWN words.>>

YESSSSSS!!!

D8TA/Jay.......I LIKE your style! SIC'EM!!

<<But we also have God on our side. Brother Paul say that if God uper hmwn--then tis kath hmwn.>>

HildaBinger------how you say in English?

Was that a Swedish Meatball that flew by?

And the beat goes on...la-de-da-de-dahh (or DUH, if the shoe fits)

Hugs,
Annie...........who usually ignores trolls

UADNA-NY (Upstate Division)

9

I can start getting better...

by airwlk149 in

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hi guys.. this is a post where it's gonna be like a diary entry for me.

this will help me get out some things.

those who have been in the chat room recently with me know what's going on.. last night was so hard for me.

Sunspot

<<Katie, I am so sorry you are going through this. But, none of them are worth your life. As painful as it may be right now, nothing is worth your life. You have a lot to live for, whatever way you end up going. Yes, it hurts like hell and will for some time, but it does get better.>>

Lew, I couldn't have said it better!

I've never read one of Airwalk's posts until this one, and I know only what's been said here today, about her...but the PAIN she's in is SO hard to even READ about. I'm grabbing at Kleenex as I write....

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Katie---About 35 years ago, I had the same unexplainable pain when my world (before the WTS) crashing down on me....and had totally given my "usually guarded" self over to someone...and given my ALL with everything I had, hook, line and sinker, as they say.

I completely trusted in and was "deliriously happy" in love with someone that I believed in and was convinced loved ME the same way.

He didn't.

I was devastated.

I DID try to take my life. Twice. In less than 24 hours. One method didn't work--I tried another. I was pissed when I woke up in a hospital, cuz I couldn't even do THAT right! And everybody would know, and I'd have to face THAT as well. I "made it" to the newspaper---VERY small blurb--but it was THERE (sigh)

But Katie, hon, I sit here at 60 years old, and KNOW with every fiber in me, that NO human being that S***S all over us and puts our love and trust into their personal dumpster, is worth OUR life and our spirit!

You CAN get through the pain! You CAN get through the hurt and devastation heaped on you! You CAN!!! Believe me!

There WILL be someone who will VALUE your love and return it in kind.

PLEASE don't give up on KATIE as a person!!! PLEASE!!!

BIG hugs,

Annie

53

Update on my Mom - please read

by MrMoe in

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well, mom is now on morphine, so she has a few days at best.

her organs are now faling, heart and lungs are the worst off.

went in the hospital today, laid there next to her for hours.

Sunspot

I feel so sad for the situation you're facing, it's tough and makes you raw for a while. But I'd like to add....that you'll ALWAYS have THAT experience [of lying there next to her and sharing good memories] to cherish in your heart forever.

MY family chose to "bar" me from the hospital last October when my Mother died, and sent me the obit clippings when my grandparents died just a few years earlier (after I became a JW-----my father had forbidden family members to even acknowledge me if I "joined up" with the WTS, --I got baptized anyway-----and I'm still being treated the same way as if they WERE JWs and I was DFed--go figure) so I have missed out on so much....it still tears me up inside..shunned by JWs and "worldly" family too!

BUT...my very best friend of 25 years (a JW)died of Cancer in '91, and two days before she passed, and while she was still pretty lucid---I had the opportunity to sit alone with her and do much the same thing as you did. We had shared EVERYTHING-one of those rare friends who are SO treasured and SO missed...and we had years of great memories and some funny experiences. I was extremely grateful that I had enjoyed her friendship, and even MORE grateful to have held her hand and yakked about things we had done--to laugh and to cry with her--it was just so special.

My heart is with you during this time...(and the JW robots can kiss your backside)

Keep us posted how things go, okay?

Hugs,
Annie

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WTS answers Diane Wilson, author

by blondie in

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/entertainment/3289653.htm .

posted on sat, may.

watchtower society responds to issues raised in book.

Sunspot

>>How can these guys lie with a straight face? I never could.<<

Hard work and a LOT of practice, Prisca!

>>That has to be the biggest, steaming load I've seen eminating from Brooklyn in some time. Damn, but it smells bad!<<

Very well said, SYN....

Annie

UADNA-NY, Upstate Division

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot

32

DATELINE DATE

by Frenchy in

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someone on another board posted that the long awaited dateline story will air may 28. i don't know how she knows she just posted it and so i thought i would put it here in case someone else has heard something.

Sunspot

Thanks Plm!

bttt

Annie

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot

37

"You can't sit there" (bad language)

by Simon in

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the "please be seated" post rememded me of our experiences at the last district assemblies we attended.. it was in the nynex / manchester evening news arena and it was hot ... damn hot.

they were obviously being 'cheap' and not paying for the air conditioning to be turned on.. liam was a baby and was becoming unwell because of the heat.

he was overheating badly which is pretty dangerous at that age so we stripped him off and took him out up the steps to the concourse.

Sunspot

I have two "nightmare experiences" that come to mind after almost 30 years of loyalty to dumb rules according to the WTS assemby behavior.

The first deals with a convention in 1973 at the Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh.....SO HOT that it defied ALL common sense to be sitting in that sun all day, especially with five kids who were bored and sunburned. I used to kid about the fact that my nose looked like a potato chip as it peeled and peeled (I STILL have scars). They ran out of food the second day, and we lived on Cheese Danish and warm lime Shasta soda (gag) cuz that was all that was left.

People who lived nearby (WE had come in from MA) were bringing in and setting up all sorts of umbrellas in the stands....and if someone in front of you had one....YOU couldn't see anything but their umbrella!!!! If you left your seat to go inside the stadium to find a moment's relief in the shade......you were told to please go back to your seat. It was just awful.

The second one was after the Henrietta (near Rochester, NY) Assembly Hall was built, and there was a baby-care room just a few steps away from one of the side-door exits from the main auditorium. Having an extremely difficult Autistic youngster (grandson) I was now caring for, I always sat near the "fast-exit" to make my get-away when he began screeching and tantrumming........until one day I was met with an attendant (complete with an attitude) at the doorway, to direct my weary body toting this squirming child----to the MAIN exit at the BACK of the auditorium!

I'm PLEADING with him to just let me pass....but NO way...I MUST comply...and off to the back exit I trudged. And THEN it was quite a ways to get to the baby-care room across a very slippery marble floor, holding a very irate and squirming child and trying to remain composed. Having to get up at 4:30 AM to dress and feed my grandson, shower and get dressed myself and pack all the day's needs (people I traveled with leaving at 6:00 AM---NO kids) I was exhausted when I GOT there.....and then struggling to stay awake AND care for the little one......I got SO disgusted at the stupid RULES as to what DOORS I was "allowed" to use......

SO glad to be DONE with it ALL!!!

Boozerunner--I got angry all over again reading your post on this....

Hugs,

Annie

UADNA-NY
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-Upstate NY Division)

21

UADNA Announcement? (non-member)

by out4good3 in

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some time ago i briefly remember a thread that implied that there would be a big announcement coming from this organization?

something that would blow the wt out of the water.. still waiting patiently, or was this all a ruse?.

did i miss something here.

Sunspot

"Remember the security clause? We can't allow even the RISK of the GB getting any kind of wind about this stuff."

THANK YOU, Francois! I was hoping somebody would mention this......

Hugs,

Annie

UADNA-NY
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-Upstate NY Div.)

54

Some Musings

by Farkel in

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i sent it to kent.

the only thing that kept me going was the thought of what my suicide would do to my children for the rest of their lives.

i finally got the courage to seek help for that depression, and im fine now.. alanf and gedanken (two of my good friends) helped me out, and i am most grateful for that.

Sunspot

Hi Farkel!

Happy belated Birthday!

I'm SO glad that your world is back on track again........it does my heart good to learn that things are going nicely for you, I REALLY mean that, Doug!

My love and best wishes are yours always,

hugs,

Annie

Now that I've got it together, I forgot where I put it......

19

Will JW increase continue?

by dmouse in

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the latest watchtower (july 1st) it says this: (bold mine).

(page 13 para 17) now is the time for jehovah to express mercy to his anointed servants and their other sheep companions.

the evidence that this is so is the extraordinary increase with which he has blessed them... .

Sunspot

"You have to understand their logic:

If the JW's are increasing, then God is blessing their work.

If the JW's are decreasing, then God is testing and sifting his people.

If the churches are increasing, then Satan is busy deceiving people, and

If the churches are decreasing, the 'waters of the Euphrates' are drying up.

So, no matter what happens, it proves that the JW's have the truth and that the churches are false!!"

Neon....You beat me to it! I've said pretty much the same thing for quite a while now. They've cleverly "got it covered" no matter WHAT the case or situation, huh?

Needless to say, it drives me nuts, cuz they are able to perpetuate the myth that they've got that "pipeline to Jehovah's thoughts" thing going for them---the LIARS!!!

hugs,

Annie

UADNA-NY

Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-Upstate NY Division

Elders treat the sheep like mushrooms--keep them in the dark and feed them manure!

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Suggestion re: Attacks on Bill Bowen

by Kismet in

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it seems that we have many new aliases popping up right now.

all posting attacks against bill bowen personally.. note they cannot argue the facts of abuse occuring but decide to go after one of the faces that represent the whole issue at hand, bill bowen.. it just goes to show how desperate some people become trying to protect their high control religion regardless the cost to children and adult children of past abuse.. i would like to suggest that we adopt the same advice our parent's gave us while growing up as dubs.

just ignore the taunts, the insults.

Sunspot

"Mystical jw indeed. That's a new one to me."

Yeah, I scratched my head for a good 18 seconds when I read THAT one!

This same poster seemed to have a problem with Bill's supposedly going for the "pats on the back", rather than looking for justice for WT victims of molestation.

I purposely didn't respond to it (on her post) but had to vent somewhere! GRRRR!

Annie

Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......

Hugs,

Sunspot