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  Can this logic be refuted?

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.

  i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!

  i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.

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  Do you believe Jehovah is using the F&DS to direct this organization?

  This is all that matters to the elders when faced with questions like yours. Logic and sound reasoning matter little. Answer no to their question and expect a JC to be arranged.
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  First post venting

  by Freethinking76 in

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  hello ,i am a jw,been in the "truth " for about 6 years.i have to be very careful because i know the witnesses monitors sites and report to the elders ,i know cause that is what my blood sister does,she spends hours trying to find apostates in the closet.i know stuped.. so this is my situation.i have known about jw almost all my life and heard that only them have the truth,lots of my family are in it.i was the one taking too long to baptize ,i knew it was expected from me.and i always had a need to make ppl like me .so i took the dip.i started to notice that there are lots of jws that belong to little groups.i wanted friendship so bad and at the time had a need o tell ppl about my horrible childhood traumas i guess i was not over it yet,and needed some to lisent since i had drove my spouse nuts already .what happend this ppl pretend to want to be close to me so they can know all my business and then tell everyone at the hall.then you realize uhhh,they never confided their personal stuff to me.is like a game " you can tell me your stuff,but do not expect me to keep it to myself and do not think i will tell you my dirty laundry.a lot of mind games.. so i was alone ,invisible ,i still can't believe i put up with so much !

  i can't wright not even half of what i when through.i feel paranoic now.so i came across a youtube video by jwstruggle and blow my mind ,now i can't stop researching,my spouse is not a jw,and is very shock too.so i decided that i want to fade,i guess it won't be so hard since the sis and brothers did not had a close relationship with me.i have kids and i suffer from pts ,anxiety attacks,panick attacks and severe depression.i moved to the next town of my hall,so i have change hall too.i have not been to my new hall,and wanted to know,will the elders in my old hall contact the elders in my new hall just to see if i am attending?..

  my spouse told me " i will tell them i am not letting you go" "and "i found out that your liars!

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  Hello and Welcome.

  Sorry to hear about your struggle in "the truth". In my opinion, begin your fade right away by stopping all WT related crap. No meetings or service.

  It's a hell of a ride and I can relate to that feeling you described about wishing you never knew the truth about the truth. You will never be happy as a JW so you should just move on as soon as possible, and continue with life and the pursuit of happiness.

  The creator of JWstruggle is on this site often ( Raypublisher) . He has helped many I am sure in waking up and getting out of this oppressive religious sect.

  One thing, if you can break your posts into paragraphs it is much easier on the eyes and much easier to read.

  Anyway, nice to have you here.
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  A Lion is a Lion. A Bear, a Bear........

  by Night Owl in

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  a lion is a lion, a bear is a bear.

  a fox is a fox, a deer is a deer.

  that is what they are, and they behave as what they are.

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  Is this the dumbest post in the hisotory of JWN? It has to be a contender.

  It has my vote.
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  Read it and Weep

  by cha ching in

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  recently, we were challenged when we told someone that the wt itself says that it is not inspired, and we then were asked is that something you recently started to believe?.

  how many people just forget what the wt has said?

  well, read it and weep.. .

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  I am sick of this. Everyday I get more and more pissed off at this disgusting religion. All day everyday it's all I think about. The lies and bullshit this effed up cult spews out and my family and friends can't bloody see it.
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  Casual sexism in Watchtower literature

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. beliefs

  i notice the sexist language of the watchtower a lot more these days.

  is it on the increase or am i simply more tuned into to noticing it now?

  for example this statement in the june kingdom ministry:.

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  This is one of my personal favorites, italics are mine,

  'As a housewife scrubs even the hidden corners of her kitchen to keep her home clean and sanitary, a repentant person should work hard to clean up his thoughts....'

  This gem is from the Jeremiah book.

  Everyone in the congregation understand? The kitchen is no place for a man, and the house should be kept clean by 'the wife'.
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  How long do you believe Born Agains and JWs will wait for Rapture/Armaggeddon?

  by booker-t in

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  2. bible

  i feel so sorry for devout bacs (born again christians) and devout jws because they are spending their whole lives waiting for something that may or may not come.

  i sometimes want to cry when i speak with my 80 yr old jw mom and hear her say armaggeddon is around the corner.

  or hear my born again aunt say "the rapture is near and jesus will take her to heaven soon" i just want to shake both of them.

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  They won't have to wait long, this system can't go on much longer.

  We are in the last of the last days.

  It's coming soon......
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  Introducing Myself

  by DilloTrace in

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  i'm new to this forum and wanted to give everyone a shout out.

  i've been a silent observer of this forum for a long time, but now i feel it's time for me to break the silence and get involved.

  i've been inactive since november of last year.

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  Hello DilloTrace,

  I also became inactive at around October/November last year. It was 607/1914 and the WT revisionist history that really woke me up. Like you, I couldn't handle anymore field serve-us, especially since it is such a chore, nobody is interested and it gets really hot here (Brisbane area). Once you are awake, witnessing is impossible. I don't know how some who are fading manage to do it and keep their sanity.

  I don't post on here a lot, but it is scary to read how similar others people's situations and experiences are. It's a hell of thing learning the TTATT, and can get a bit overwhelming at times.

  Welcome to the forum.
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  Pronouncing things differently so they don't sound rude. Typical CULT persona. Political correctness?

  by punkofnice in

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  i noticed over the years how bros & sis(tm) would pronounce words/names differently or totally substitute them so as not to sound offensive.. egs:.

  instead of 'bible aids' a bro(tm) said 'bible helps' thus avoiding aids disease!?!.

  instead of sodom the bro(tm) pronounced it 'sow dom'.

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  Instead of YHWH they like to say 'Jehovah'.
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  New Rumor - Watchtower and Awake in one magazine only?

  by TJ Curioso in

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  2. bible

  hi folks!.

  someone told me that there is a rumor that soon the watchtower and awake's magazines will be only one (fusion).. anybody knows something concrete about that, or is only rumor instead?.

  tj curioso.

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  They use the word "Nested" because "Inserted" sounds too sexual and worldly.

  I agree. If they used the word "Inserted", some could refer to the mags as "Penetrated", and then before long, we could have "magazine fornication" causing immoral thoughts in some of the brothers.
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  Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!

  by goatshapeddemon in

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  2. beliefs

  so, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!

  first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.

  he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.

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  I gotta say Snare, I always enjoy reading your posts.