Posts by DeWandelaar

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Genuine repentance - if you can fake that you'll avoid getting disfellowshipped

by slimboyfat in

to paraphrase a well known saying.

is it true, in a judicial committee, if you can fake repentance, then they are likely to let you off being disfellowshipped, almost regardless of the "severity" of the sin involved?

can former elders and perhaps victims of the process shed light on the matter?

DeWandelaar

One elder told me once: there is a difference between baking a bread... and being a baker :D

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Blog post-- Genesis vs 2nd Peter: Lot wasn't SUPPOSED to be viewed as "righteous", but "unrighteous".

by adamah in

so here's part i (of iii) of an in-depth analysis of the biblical character of lot, examining the contradictory depictions offered in the genesis 13/19 vs 2nd peter's assessment.

i still need to pare the article down, as it's way, way too much info, likely unnecessary to make a relatively simple point.

it's important to be thorough, esp.

I have read the whole thing (which I seldom do)... I must say that some of it reflects my thoughts about the subject... The whole incest and alcohol thing disturbed me a lot while reading the passages.

What surprises me though is that even Judah (which was a tribe later on) went to a hooker just because he was horny. You can say a lot about the story but we never get told about the INTENT of Judah. That also disturbs me... he is within the line of Christ and in the end Tamar wasn't a Whore... but... the INTENT of Judah was wrong!

And yeah... there was NO law at that time... but thinking about that one: if there wasn't a law which could convict Abraham, Isaak, Jacob etc... why wasn't that applied to all the other sinners of that time?! It is a inconsistency I hate in the Bible.

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Watchtower 1954 claims Jesus was clean shaven/ short hair like a Witness!!!

by Witness 007 in

how did the watchtower develop "pogonophobia"?

(beard fear) 1950-1960's long hair and beards were a sign of rebelious youth.

then in the 1954 watchtower p.511 questions from readers.

DeWandelaar

The Serpent has a somewhat retarded "hand"... (and likes to look at the backside of Eve) :P

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Infinity and god - why wait to create the universe?

by Simon in

here's the problem with infinity ... we can't comprehend it.. it's bad enough when it's space, but when it's time as well and then we throw in some all powerful creature supposedly existing forever ... well, it just doesn't make sense and raises questions.. such as why wait?

why didn't god create the universe the day before he did?

or the day before that?

DeWandelaar

When the universe started, time started BUT still... it was a start... and when something starts there is a point BEFORE that...

Also... something needed to accelerate all the actions required to get the cosmos created.

Our shortcoming is that we live in certain "dimensions" and I see them as borders... borders that men can not cross but the spiritworld can.

That is the problem solely with science... it has boundaries and can only discover things within these boundaries.

Although I do not believe in the doctrine of the JW's I still believe in God... I still believe this all was created...

God is not bound by time... we are... he isn't. In his opinion things have already happened... Can you understand that? Infinity in Maths goes both ways: it goes back in "time" (forever and ever) and it goes forth in "time (forever and ever). There are professors (within science) who are searching for Prime Numbers ... they haven't found them all yet because of technical boundaries but they KNOW they are there. Same goes for the elements in the Periodic Table ... there are still gaps... but they know that somehow there are more elements (yet... not discovered).

These two examples show something: we have (technical) boundaries... we can not even create the supercomputers yet to discover a "simple" number... so how on earth can we, with our brains, state that we can understand "infinity" ... we can't... so the statement in the first post is in my opinion incorrect.

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the hobbit

by Hortensia in

i downloaded the hobbit.

didn't see it in theaters because at nearly three hours, it's just too damned long.

not sure i'm going to make it through the whole movie.

DeWandelaar

3 hours long? I am waiting for the extended version :D

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Faithfull Slave Teaching Leaves something out!

by DeWandelaar in

for years the so-called faithfull slave has brainwashed us with their doctrine.

number 6 the possessions?

according to the text only the servants are being inspected!

DeWandelaar

Hi Villagegirl,

I think that it really means to actually take care of people... feeding them... helping them ... clothing them...

It is an active situation. A lot of JW's are not actively involved with people since it will all be restored in paradise according to them...

Besides... Jesus will judge everyone individually at the end.

That is how I see it.

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Faithfull Slave Teaching Leaves something out!

by DeWandelaar in

for years the so-called faithfull slave has brainwashed us with their doctrine.

number 6 the possessions?

according to the text only the servants are being inspected!

DeWandelaar

For years the so-called faithfull slave has brainwashed us with their doctrine. A couple of days ago in my mind something happened. It is a thing I think is NEVER looked at because it is in between the sentences. I am wondering what YOU guys make of it.

Here the text about the slave states the following in Matthew 24:45-47:

“Who then is v the faithful and w wise servant, 3 whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 x Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 47 Truly, I say to you, y he will set him over all his possessions. 48 But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master z is delayed,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants 4 and eats and drinks with a drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come b on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know 51 and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place c there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

There are some very important factors in this text:

1. Faithfull and wise servant 2. wicked servant 3. master 4. household 5. possessions 6. fellow servants

Now... number 1 and 2 are the same servant in the parabel... they are the same person but get a "stamp" according to what their actions are... there is NO seperate servant. It is a condition.

number 3 is the master... this is Jesus of course...

number 4 ... household... who are they? Are they the slaves? I do not think so to be honest!

number 5 fellow servants ... is the 'so-called' faithfull slave alone? he is just one of the other servants...

number 6 the possessions? Do we know? Is it materials, people etc? For one thing: it is NOT people... it is belongings

Now comes the part where my brain got me in... who get's inspected... the servant(s), the household... or both?

According to the text ONLY the servants are being inspected! Does this mean that the household gets destroyed while Christ comes to check the servant out? No! Only the servants gets inspected and the household is left in its state... Does a slave get the authority over the household? Absolutely not! He gets (if he fits the conditions) the power over the possessions but he is NOT gonna own the HOUSEHOLD itself since he is still a servant... the household is NOT the same as the possession.

In all these years the Brooklyn bobo's mix these things together... but a slave is NEVER bigger then the master and NEVER bigger then the household... he still remains a "slave" and he is not allowed to kick his fellow servants...

So... what does this mean? It means (as most of us already know) that every servant is judged seperately. It is also parabel with the illustration of the Maidens that comes in the texts right after it. It was an illustration instead of a prophecy!

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Jehovahs Witnesses couple accused of neglecting child by feeding only fruits, vegetables and juices

by Sol Reform in

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/jehovahs-witnesses-couple-from-jupiter-accused-of-/nyhx3/.

posted: 2:50 p.m. tuesday, june 11, 2013. jehovah's witnesses couple accused of neglecting child by feeding only fruits, vegetables and juicescomment(31) 21 191 22 477relatedview larger louis, claudelview larger louis, vanessaby alexandra seltzerpalm beach post staff writer.

a suburban jupiter couple is in the county jail today after they refused to give their 19-month-old boy the nutrients he needed, causing him to end up in a local hospital's intensive care unit.claudel and vanessa louis face charges of neglect of a child with great bodily harm.palm beach county sheriff's deputies were called to st. mary's medical center in west palm beach on june 5 to investigate the child neglect case.. the 19-month-old boy was admitted to the hospital may 24 after he had trouble breathing.the boy's doctor told the investigating deputy that the boy was severely malnourished, underdeveloped and was in respiratory distress, according to a sheriff's probable-cause affidavit.

DeWandelaar

They look more like druggies...

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Hubby found out about me celebrating my kids birthday...

by cognac in

told on me of course.

apparently, the other jw thought he was kidding.. i just said, you tell on me and take my family from me, we are done.

we will get a divorce and you will lose me, your home, and more then likely won't get to see your kids everyday the way you get to now.

DeWandelaar

Wow... to be honest... if this is the situation in your marriage then I wonder why you not already left?!

Ratting each other out is not ideal in a marriage

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Out of the mental cell stuck in the physical prison......no-win situation

by Kensho in

jdubs are fond of quoting peter "where are we to go lord"... well the answer for me has been this forum for last couple of years which is really sad because i should be able to talk to my lifelong friends instead of faceless avatars.

( don't get me wrong this place has helped me through some really rough times mentally kudos to terry, cedars,slimboyfat, blondie,jwfacts and many others.).

the shun gun has prevented me from making the move completely out of this cult i have given my life to.

DeWandelaar

I know what you are going thru although I am a lot younger. The crappy thing about continuing though is that you get isolated. I admit I do not have any friends as such (only on FB and family of my JW wife). I feel alone a lot and to be honest... I can not cope with live that well lately. Sometimes I just want to leave everything behind (although I have three kids) but that feeling tears me apart.

I wish you the strenght to make the right decision