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  Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?

  by liam in

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  may 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.

  what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.

  now the wt is saying that's not enough.

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  May 2025 Study Article 21 Seek the City that will remain.

  What I remember was, When you see the Romans, flee to the Mountains. Now the WT is saying that's not enough. We need to know WHICH MOUNTAINS. The only way to know which mountains is the same way first Century Christians figured out which mountains to flee to.. Which is..............By trusting Those taking the lead, The Faithful and Discreet Slave/and elders
  

  8 A few years after receiving Paul’s letter to the Hebrews, Christians saw the Roman armies surround the city of Jerusalem. That signaled the time for them to flee; the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed.But where would their flight lead them? Jesus had simply said: “Let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.” There were many mountains in the region. So in what direction would they flee?

  9 Consider some of the mountains to which Christians could have fled: the mountains of Samaria, the mountains in Galilee, Mount Hermon and the mountains of Lebanon, and the mountains across the Jordan. (See map.) Some of the cities in those mountainous areas may have appeared to be safe havens. The city of Gamla, for example, was situated on the rough ridge of a high mountain and was extremely difficult to reach. Some Jews viewed that city as an ideal place of refuge. However, Gamla became the site of a vicious battle between the Jews and the Romans, and many of its inhabitants died. b

  10 It appears that Jehovah guided the Christians by means of those who were taking the lead in the congregation. Historian Eusebius later wrote: “The people of the congregation in Jerusalem, by divine providence, received a revelation given to approved men; they were commanded . . . to migrate from the city before the war and to settle in a certain city of Perea called Pella.” Pella seems to have been an ideal choice. It was not far from Jerusalem, making it relatively easy to reach. It was primarily a Gentile city and for the most part unaffected by the fanatical Jewish freedom fighters and their battles with the Romans.​—See map.

  11 The Christians who fled to the mountains applied Paul’s counsel to “be obedient to those who are taking the lead” in the congregation. ) As a result, God’s people survived. History confirms that God did not abandon those “awaiting the city having real foundations”​—God’s Kingdom.​

  13 For example, when the COVID-19 pandemic struck, “those . . . taking the lead” gave needed direction. The elders received instructions for meeting the spiritual needs of their brothers and sisters. Shortly after the outbreak of the pandemic, we held a landmark convention in more than 500 languages via Internet, TV, and radio. The flow of spiritual food did not stop. As a result, we remained united. We can be confident that no matter what trials we may face in the future, Jehovah will continue to help those taking the lead to determine the wise course to take. Besides trust in Jehovah and obedience to his commands, what other qualities will help us to prepare for the great tribulation and to act wisely during that earthshaking period?

  PS, Let me know if we are not supposed to post WT stuff.
  

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ityyna/obey_obey_obey_the_gb_new_watchtower_now_claims/

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2025/Seek-the-City-That-Will-Remain/
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  Dodge has found 4.7 Trillion Dollars in Untraceable money

  by liam in

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  elon was looking at the way they audit within the government agencies.

  he found there are no links to payments made.

  250 million payment………..to………………..consultant……..name ………..unknown.

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  "Dodge". Hah! What an appropriate typo!

  Not a typo, Intentional!

  
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  Trump confirms, the Goal is to ABOLISH the IRS. No More Taxes for Citizens.

  by liam in

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  trump said in another speech, had the citizens never voted democrat, and rinos were more concern about the citizens than lining their own pockets, the government would of had enough money to buy every citizen a home, car, full paid college education, and all social security recipients would be receiving 100k a year.

  the trillions of dollars that were stolen by democrats and rinos and given to other countries for transgender surgeries, wars in other countries, and other worthless stuff throughout the years, could have been invested in so many avenues, and american citizens would be the richest people in the entire world and the most innovative.

  don’t ever vote democrat again.

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  jhine

  Liam what is this obsession that you have with transgender surgery ?

  jihine; I'm sorry you never got to finish High School. In the fifth grade they teach you how to determine the theme of a subject. First you identify the main ideas and topics presented in the work, then consider the author's perspective or message about those ideas. This involves analyzing elements like the plot, characters, and conflicts to uncover the deeper meaning behind the subject.

  The theme of my post was about "Abolishing the IRS, not "Transgender Surgery"

  Pointing to the fact that OUR Tax monies was sent to other Countries so they could perform transgender surgeries is a misuse of OUR TAX FUNDS, ....... is hardly considered an OBSESSION of Transgender Surgery!

  Obsession definition Obsession is a persistent and often disturbing preoccupation with an idea, thought, or feeling that is difficult to control, and it can lead to significant anxiety or distress. While everyone may experience obsessive thoughts occasionally, those with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) experience them more intensely and frequently, often feeling compelled to perform certain behaviors to alleviate their distress.
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  RE: NORWAY J-Dubs and the possible hold-out by Anthony Morris III

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  january 2021: the norwegian state denies state subsidies to jehovah's witnesses, citing exclusion policies.. august 2021: a norwegian court annuls a disfellowshipping decision by jehovah's witnesses.. may 3, 2022: the supreme court of norway upholds the decision to annul the disfellowshipping.. october 25, 2022: the county governor of oslo and viken demands changes to jehovah's witnesses' practices.. december 22, 2022: jehovah's witnesses' registration as a religious community is revoked.

  —---anthony morris iii officially stepped down from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses on february 22, 2023.

  march 4, 2024: oslo county court rules in favor of the state, upholding the decision to withhold funding and retract registration.. february 3-14, 2025: the oslo appeal court hears the latest appeal from jehovah's witnesses.

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  JW vs Norway Feb 2025 -it is finished- with a dramatic ending!

  Finished: The court case between Jehovah’s Witnesses and the state was completed on Friday, February 14, 2025. Now, only the verdict remains.

  Dramatic ending in court Jehovah’s Witnesses suggested a protest

  The religious community’s lawyer disputes that detailed, uncomfortable conversations with minors are currently taking place within the faith community.

  Hans Christian Bergsjo¸

  Journalist

  Published: 14.02.25 - 15:10

  Last updated: 14.02.25 - 15:22

  The last day of the trial opened dramatically. Jehovah’s Witnesses’ lawyer, Anders Stray Ryssdal, attacked the state’s lawyers from the start. He argued that the state had introduced arguments in its closing statement that the faith community had not had the opportunity to refute during the trial.

  Court of Appeal Judge Jorgen Monn granted the state’s lawyers a break to assess the situation.

  When they returned, they stood by their position: The argument, which involved questioning with detailed and uncomfortable intimate questions, had been part of the overall picture presented by the state in the case.

  We dispute that such conversations take place, said Ryssdal.

  This changes the facts of the case, and we deserved the opportunity to present evidence and discuss it further. This comes too late, he added.

  Ryssdal then suggested filing a protest, but in the end, Kare Saeterhaug, an elder in Jehovah’s Witnesses, was allowed to explain the matter and answer questions. He stated that the faith community’s guidance does not require asking more detailed questions than necessary.

  In January 2022, the County Governor of Oslo and Viken decided that Jehovah’s s Witnesses would no longer receive state funding. In December 2022, they also denied the faith community official registration as a religious community. The Ministry of Children and Families supported these decisions.

  The reason for the rulings is the claim that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ practice of exclusion (expelling members) violates children’s rights, particularly their right to protection from psychological violence.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses lost the case in the district court in January 2024. The ruling was appealed and is now being heard in the Borgarting Court of Appeal. The verdict from the Court of Appeal is expected in about a month.

  The purpose of the judicial committees is to guide people back to a healthy relationship with God, argued Sæterhaug, and this should be done in a kind manner. It became clear that there is no oversight of this practice.

  Could it be that some have experienced very detailed and uncomfortable judicial committees? asked Judge Jorgen Monn, referring to several witness testimonies.

  That has never been in line with the guidance given to elders, replied Saeterhaug, who said he was not aware of such cases.

  After the dispute, government attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen continued her closing arguments. She reiterated that the case is about balancing different rights but maintained that the state has shown that minors can be excluded from Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  Violating moral laws can lead to exclusion. We have examples involving children as young as 11, she said.

  She also clarified that the state does not intend to interfere with whether religious communities teach that same-sex relationships are wrong or that blood transfusions are prohibited. The government attorney spent time demonstrating how the European Convention on Human Rights grants children the right to protection of their psychological integrity.

  She also argued that the state’s denial of funding and registration is not an infringement on freedom of assembly.

  Gabrielsen concluded by addressing Jehovah’s Witnesses claim of procedural errors.

  In the state’s view, the decisions have been adequately investigated. There is sufficient evidence of the faith community’s practices.

  The state’s proposal is to reject the appeal from Jehovah’s Witnesses, thereby upholding the Ministry of Children and Families’ decision.

  After the state’s arguments, Jehovah’s Witnesses lawyer, Anders Stray Ryssdal, gave a lengthy rebuttal.

  Once again, he strongly criticized government attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen. He argued that she had not demonstrated how childrens’ rights are violated within Jehovah’s Witnesses, nor that children are excluded from the faith community.

  He also reiterated that the right to freely leave Jehovah’s Witnesses is upheld, as written resignation is accepted as a valid method of withdrawal.

  The state cannot impose additional conditions, such as making it a pleasant experience to leave, he said.

  Ryssdal also challenged the states many references to comparable rulings in Europe.

  You have to connect the reasoning to the outcome. Every ruling the state has cited supports our position. This is a selective reading of the premises, he said.

  This was countered by government attorney Gabrielsen in her rebuttal.

  You cannot derive so much from conclusions alone. If I had more time, I would have gone into this in greater detail.

  Gabrielsenâ’s colleague, Kristin Hallsjo¸ Aarvik, reiterated that the state believes Jehovah’s Witnesses have not lost any status by being denied funding and registration.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses remain a religious community and retain that status. The decisions do not restrict their religious practice.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ipfcik/jw_vs_norway_feb_2025_it_is_finished_with_a/
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  Dodge has found 4.7 Trillion Dollars in Untraceable money

  by liam in

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  elon was looking at the way they audit within the government agencies.

  he found there are no links to payments made.

  250 million payment………..to………………..consultant……..name ………..unknown.

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  Elon was looking at the way they audit within the Government agencies. He found there are no links to payments made. For example;

  250 Million Payment………..TO………………..Consultant……..Name ………..UNKNOWN

  850 Million Payment……….TO……………….Charity for Children…….Name ...UNKNOWN

  $4.7 TRILLION….LOST……...in …………..THIS MANNER.

  Mean while during the same time. Obama's, Clinton's, Nancy Pelosi, the majority of Democrats, several Republicans, many that run and oversee Federal Agencies...BECAME MILLIONAIRES.

  Now they are saying that 99 percent of wealthy people who have become millionaires and billionaires in the past 50 years is because of some kind of fraud or Charities.

  Politicians for example. Celebrities. Religious Organizations

  As of 2024, there are 756 billionaires in the United States. Most of them reside in California, New York, Florida, and Texas. Most of them have ties to Politicians.

  As of 2024, there are approximately 2,781 billionaires in the world. Their combined net worth is around $14.2 trillion.

  If you’re Honest, Hard Working, and trust your religious organization, think again.

  Religious Organizations operate the same way, Fraud, except they figured out how to do it legally, by Charities. That is how they are able to accumulate wealth from investments, operating assets (ecclesiastical buildings) and Real estate, in exchange for giving people comfort that they will see an afterlife.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TONdd3hQJJQ
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  Trump confirms, the Goal is to ABOLISH the IRS. No More Taxes for Citizens.

  by liam in

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  2. current

  trump said in another speech, had the citizens never voted democrat, and rinos were more concern about the citizens than lining their own pockets, the government would of had enough money to buy every citizen a home, car, full paid college education, and all social security recipients would be receiving 100k a year.

  the trillions of dollars that were stolen by democrats and rinos and given to other countries for transgender surgeries, wars in other countries, and other worthless stuff throughout the years, could have been invested in so many avenues, and american citizens would be the richest people in the entire world and the most innovative.

  don’t ever vote democrat again.

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  But you will pay more for a lot of products.

  Most of the Big Companies that left to other places to manufacture are returning to America because the Corporate tax will be very low. Like Apple Inc. Japan already said they will invest a trillion dollars in USA

  There is also several Countries that have promise to invest trillions of dollars in their business in America because of the perks. So far 5 Trillion pledges from other Countries to do business in America. Plus 11 more possible Countries will make it 16 trillion dollars in investment.

  Trump doesn't believe in long-term war. He believes in economic prosperity.

  Our products will get cheaper. For example, if Russia starts selling Oil to USA, the price could go down anywhere from 12-30 dollars a barrel. Meaning we will be able to make things cheaper, like plastics, fabric, cleaners, etc.

  In the meantime the European Union will continue to escalate the war in Europe, killing all the young men that are needed to care for the infrastructure of their countries and teetering on the possibility of starting a nuclear war with Russia. If that happens, it will take centuries to rebuild all those Countries.
  

  https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/politics/politics-government/20250208-237666/
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  Trump confirms, the Goal is to ABOLISH the IRS. No More Taxes for Citizens.

  by liam in

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  2. current

  trump said in another speech, had the citizens never voted democrat, and rinos were more concern about the citizens than lining their own pockets, the government would of had enough money to buy every citizen a home, car, full paid college education, and all social security recipients would be receiving 100k a year.

  the trillions of dollars that were stolen by democrats and rinos and given to other countries for transgender surgeries, wars in other countries, and other worthless stuff throughout the years, could have been invested in so many avenues, and american citizens would be the richest people in the entire world and the most innovative.

  don’t ever vote democrat again.

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  Trump said in another speech, had the Citizens Never voted Democrat, and Rinos were more concern about the Citizens than lining their own pockets, the Government would of had enough money to buy every Citizen a Home, Car, full paid College Education, and all Social Security Recipients would be receiving 100k a year.

  The Trillions of dollars that were stolen by Democrats and Rinos and given to other Countries for transgender surgeries, Wars in other Countries, and other worthless stuff throughout the years, could have been invested in so many avenues, and American Citizens would be the richest people in the entire world and the most innovative.

  Don’t Ever vote Democrat again. Study who the Rinos are, and don't vote them in. Vote for people that CARE FOR THEIR OWN CITIZENS.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocqwd6CyJis
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  Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

  by LongHairGal in

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  this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

  (i don’t go on jw dot org).

  it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

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  Trump's investigative team has found hundreds of Billions of dollars being paid in SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS EVERY MONTH to people who are OVER THREE HUNDRED YEARS OLD .

  No wonder Social Security is running out.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhY6SDIeaZQ
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  JW Vaccine mandate: The contrast between voices of reason and confusion

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading an intriguing post on the exjw reddit, a forum i do not with to sign up for, as i'm not interested in the internal politics of reddit.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1hwlja8/the_governing_bodys_letter_that_shook_bethel_and/.

  another post counteracted this one, driven by the "conspiracy theory" card.

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  Trump is NOT BANNING COVID VACCINES.

  He is banning MANDATORY COVID VACCINES. in schools and Colleges and the Military.

  There was never "Mandates in these places. But the Biden Administration made it a crime to refuse a COVID VACCINES. He arranged FIRING Thousands of military men who refused to take the COVID VACCINE because they knew it was experimental, not a true vaccine. Then He went on a hunt to fire Federal Workers who refused the COVID VACCINE. Then he Coerce Hospitals and medical facilities to fire employees who refused the Covid Vaccine.

  Trump by executive order is just making sure that mandatory mandates never happens again and he is reinstating all the military soldiers who were fried for not taking the COVID Vaccine with back pay.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IongOogsv3M
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  They were trying to spread Transgender ideology, DEI, Green New Deal to the entire World

  by liam in

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  the plan the democrats in the usa were trying to implement world wide was their ideology.

  they wanted open borders for every country, they wanted to rid the middle class entirely.

  they wanted a small group of people to run the world.

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  TonusOH

  You explained it so well, it should be on a YouTube video for all to see.