And what was responsible for the star?
Apply the same explanation to how God is said to exist.
Butthankfullysadly life forms did survive and led to the evolution and humans.
Fixed that for you.
Posts by Duran
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118The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
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puts his fingers in his ears
No, I don't think he can to that because his head is up his ass.
ignores any attempt of dealing with actual material presented.
This is so.
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Anyway, even though he can't dispute what I have shown, I am curious to what the following looks like.
[dp -Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned for 43 years, headed a dynasty that ruled over the Babylonian Empire. It included his son-in-law Nabonidus and his oldest son, Evil-merodach. That dynasty continued for 43 more years, until the death of Nabonidus’ son Belshazzar, in 539 B.C.E.]
43+43=86+539=625-43=582
So, WTS claims Neb reigned 625-582. That makes sense because his true years of rule were 605-562, but they add 20 magical years to those years.
Going by their years:
Neb>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehoiakim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>629 1st year (true year 609)
625 1st year>>>> 4th year (true year 605)
618 7th year>>>>11th year (true year 598)
617 8th year>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehoiachin (true year 597)>>>Zedekiah (true year 597)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>608 9th year of Zed (true year 588)
607 18th year
606 19th year>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>11th year of Zed (true year 586)
602 23rd year
580>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>37th year of Jehoiachin (true year 560)
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by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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In all that I posted already, the WTS acknowledges:
1. That Assyria ended as the second world power in the 17th year of Nabopolassar's kingship when Harran fell in 609.
2. That Babylon became the third world power until 539 when it fell, and Medo-Persia became the fourth world power.
Nabopolassar's 17th year 609 until 539 with the death of Belshazzar is when Babylon was the 3rd world power for 70 years, its greatest domination period. Although 7 different kings ruled during those 70 years, it was considered as 'one king' while it was the 3rd world power.
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[Insight- Particularly was this domination manifest during the seventh and sixth centuries B.C.E. when Nabopolassar, a native of Chaldea, and his successors, Nebuchadnezzar II, Evil-merodach (Awil-Marduk), Neriglissar, Labashi-Marduk, Nabonidus, and Belshazzar, ruled the Third World Power, Babylon. That dynasty came to its end when “Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed.”]
Nabopolasar (626-605) = 21 years >>>17th year 609 Harran fell beginning the domination period for Babylon as the 3rd world power.
Nebuchadnezzar (605-562) = 43 years
Awil-Marduk (562 -560) = 2 years
Neriglissar (560- 556) = 4 years
Labashi-Marduk (556-556) 9 months
Nabonidus/Belshazzar (556 - 539) =17 years
[Isaiah’s Prophecy - True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire— He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination— Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.]
[w53 7/15 -The rulers of Egypt were cruel, wicked men and greatly oppressed the people. Their government, which became the first world power, was a complete and miserable failure. It was conquered by Assyria, the second world power, likewise under the influence of Satan.]
[Insight - The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh, the capital of Assyria...This chronicle states, under the 17th year of Nabopolassar (609 B.C.E.): “In the month Duuzu, Ashuruballit, king of Assyria, and a large army of Egypt who had come to his aid crossed the river Euphrates and marched on to conquer Harran.” Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.]
[w65 6/1 - Babylon succeeded Assyria as the Third World Power.]
[Insight - By now the Medes and Persians under command of Cyrus the Great were on the march to take over control of Babylonia and become the fourth world power. During the night of October 5, 539 B.C.E. (Gregorian calendar), Babylon was seized, and Belshazzar was slain.]
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Memorial Talk Training Video 2025 - Part 1
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/4upzvonzg10?si=1bdvv6qzcuj2fo6s.
oh, the joys of being one of jehovah’s witnesses, where you get to learn that heaven is a vip lounge for exactly 144,000 people—and sorry, everyone else, you're stuck in the “earth forever” section.
yep, you get to mow grass in paradise while the chosen few float around in immortal glory.
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Your view of heaven is flawed. Earth is earth (the planet humans live on), but heaven is not a limited location. Living on earth in the future under God's kingdom can still be said to be in heaven.
[ 10 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.]
[44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,]
[ 34 You looked on until a stone was cut out, not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of clay and crushed them. 35 At that time the iron, the clay, the copper, the silver, and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a large mountain, and it filled the whole earth.]
[11 But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.]
[ 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.]
[3 And there will no longer be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his slaves will offer him sacred service;]
Belinda Carlisle - Heaven Is A Place On Earth (Official Music Video)
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New World, New World Order, New System of Things
by blondie inthe wts has used to above terms, over the years, some more preferred in certain time periods.
more though, but these occurred to me first.
also the terms "new world" and "new world order" have been used by some us presidents and other leaders..
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g96 4/22 - Reflecting the mood of the times, George Bush, who was then president of the United States, spoke on many occasions about an emerging “new world order.”
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by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
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Nabopolasar (626-605) - 21 years ****609 17th year****
Nebuchadnezzar (605-562) - 43 years ****598****597****587****582***
Awil-Marduk (562 -560) - 2 years
Neriglissar (560- 556) - 4 years
Labashi-Marduk (556-556) 9 months
Nabonidus/Belshazzar (556 - 539) -17 years
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In 609, Nabopolasar's 17th year of his 21-year reign, Babylon became the 3rd world power until 539 when it was overthrown, and Medo-Persia became the 4th world power. During those 70 years (609-539) is when 'all the nations', including the Jews served Babylon.
Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, and Zedekiah were vassal kings of Babylon and serving Babylon prior to Jerusalem's destruction. Due to rebelling against Babylon is what let to Nebuchadnezzar's invasion of Judah and siege of Jerusalem.
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[24 In Je·hoiʹa·kim’s days King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon came against him, and Je·hoiʹa·kim became his servant for three years. However, he turned against him and rebelled. 2Then Jehovah began to send against him marauder bands of Chal·deʹans, Syrians, Moʹab·ites, and Amʹmon·ites. He kept sending them against Judah to destroy it, according to Jehovah’s word that he had spoken through his servants the prophets.]
[52 Zed·e·kiʹah was 21 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 11 years in Jerusalem.3It was because of Jehovah’s anger that these things took place in Jerusalem and in Judah, until he cast them out of his sight. And Zed·e·kiʹah rebelled against the king of Babylon.4In the ninth year of Zed·e·kiʹah’s reign, in the tenth month, on the tenth day of the month, King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon came with all his army against Jerusalem. They camped against it and built a siege wall all around it.5And the city was under siege until the 11th year of King Zed·e·kiʹah.]
[JR - Like many of his predecessors, Zedekiah “continued to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah.” (Jer. 52:1, 2) He was a subject of the Babylonians, and Nebuchadnezzar made him take an oath in Jehovah’s name that obliged him to submit to the king of Babylon. Despite that, Zedekiah eventually rebelled.
[Insight- Particularly was this domination manifest during the seventh and sixth centuries B.C.E. when Nabopolassar, a native of Chaldea, and his successors, Nebuchadnezzar II, Evil-merodach (Awil-Marduk), Neriglissar, Labashi-Marduk, Nabonidus, and Belshazzar, ruled the Third World Power, Babylon. That dynasty came to its end when “Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed.”]
[AD- The reign of Nebuchadnezzar’s father Nabopolassar marked the start of what is called the Neo-Babylonian Empire; it ended with the reigns of Nabonidus and his son Belshazzar and the overthrow of Babylon by Cyrus the Persian.
[DP - Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned for 43 years, headed a dynasty that ruled over the Babylonian Empire.
[w65 1/1 - Evil-merodach reigned two years and was murdered by his brother-in-law Neriglissar, who reigned for four years, which time he spent mainly in building operations. His underage son Labashi-Marduk, a vicious boy, succeeded him, and was assassinated within nine months. ]
[Insight - Nabonidus - Last supreme monarch of the Babylonian Empire; father of Belshazzar. On the basis of cuneiform texts he is believed to have ruled some 17 years (556-539 B.C.E.).]
[BQA - A man named Nabonidus was king during the events recorded in Daniel chapter 5. However, Nabonidus spent much of his reign, not in Babylon, but in Arabia. Who ruled in Babylon while he was absent? “A cuneiform record states that Nabonidus entrusted the kingship to his eldest son, i.e. to Belshazzar,”]
[w53 7/15 -The rulers of Egypt were cruel, wicked men and greatly oppressed the people. Their government, which became the first world power, was a complete and miserable failure. It was conquered by Assyria, the second world power, likewise under the influence of Satan.]
[Insight - The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh, the capital of Assyria, following a siege carried out by the combined forces of Nabopolassar, the king of Babylon, and of Cyaxares the Mede during the 14th year of Nabopolassar (612 B.C.E.) ... According to the same chronicle, in the 14th year of Nabopolassar (612 B.C.E.), Ashuruballit (king of Assyria) attempted to continue Assyrian rule from Haran as his capital city. This chronicle states, under the 17th year of Nabopolassar (609 B.C.E.): “In the month Duuzu, Ashuruballit, king of Assyria, and a large army of Egypt who had come to his aid crossed the river Euphrates and marched on to conquer Harran.” Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.]
[w65 6/1 - Babylon succeeded Assyria as the Third World Power.]
[Insight - By now the Medes and Persians under command of Cyrus the Great were on the march to take over control of Babylonia and become the fourth world power. During the night of October 5, 539 B.C.E. (Gregorian calendar), Babylon was seized, and Belshazzar was slain.]
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by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
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scholar...to everything you say...
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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!
by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
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LOL! Scholar in line with what Vidqun posted...
[28 These are the people whom Neb·u·chad·rezʹzar took into exile: in the seventh year, three thousand and twenty-three Jews.
29 In the eighteenth year of Neb·u·chad·rezʹzar, from Jerusalem there were eight hundred and thirty-two souls.
30 In the twenty-third year of Neb·u·chad·rezʹzar, Neb·uʹzar·adʹan the chief of the bodyguard took Jews into exile, seven hundred and forty-five souls. All the souls were four thousand and six hundred.]Above it shows 3 exiles that took place in Neb's 7, 18 and 23 year.
According to WTS Neb ruled as king for 43 years.
They say 607 was Neb's 18th year.
607+18=625-43=582
625-582 Neb's years as king (According to WTS)
His 7th year would be 618.
18th year world be 607.
23rd year would be 602.
This shows captivity for:
81 years 618-537
70 years 607-537
65 years 602-537
Was Babylon a world power for 88 years? (625-537)
Were they a world power for 81 years? (618-537)
Were they a world power 86 years? (625-539)
Were they a world power 79 years? (618-539)
Were they a world power 70 years? (607-537)
Were they a world power 68 years? (607-539)
Do you think that Babylon was being served during 625-618 period?
How about during 618-607?
Were the ones taken captive in 602 (after 607) serving Babylon during that 5-year 607-602 period?
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by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
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True from the viewpoint of secular history, But from Daniel's viewpoint, Babylon was the first world power with its overthrow of Jerusalem in 607 BCE. From this time nations were now subject to Babylon in accordance with Jer. 25:11.now having served Babylon for 70 years along with Judah.
Like you have for years on here, your reasoning is moronic, you love to parrot the WTS false teachings, and you ignore Scriptures like Jeremiah 27:6-11.
Even if you want to claim that destruction came on Jerusalem in 607 (even thou it happened in 587), the serving of Babylon for the nations started before any such destruction came upon Jerusalem. And even if you want to claim the Jews came back in 537, there is no reason to conclude that the 70 years for the rest of the nations ended in 607.
The fact is that no nations including the Jews did not serve Babylon after 539 being that it came to its end at that time.
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by BoogerMan init-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
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As I previously stated the First World Power according to Dan. 2 was Babylon.
The statement made by me was:
Babylon was the 3rd world power during that 70-year period and then in 539 the Medes and Persians became the 4th world power.
To which you replied:
Incorrect for according to Daniel the first World Power was Babylon followed by Medo-Persia.
I showed you what John said about there being 8 kings and I showed you the WTS says about all 8 world powers.
Daniel addresses the said kings, but he focusses starting from the 3rd king Babylon down to the 8th king.
Do you disagree that Egypt and Assyria were each world powers prior to Babylon?
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Babylon's time as a World Power ended with its overthrow in 539 BCE by the Medo-Persian Empire.
Yes! Very good scholar, you are making progress with such statement.
So, knowing that Babylon ceased being the world power in 539 and that Medo-Persian became the world power at that time when Babylon was overthrown, the question is when did Babylon become the world power?
The answer is after Assiya was overthrown. Assiya was the world power before Babylon and all nations were under subjection to Assiya, including Babylon. Then with the overthrow of Assiya, Babylon became the world power, and ALL nations were in subjection to Babylon until it was overthrown by Medo-Persian in 539.
Jeremiah 25:11,12 speaks to this period for Babylon and the nations, stating that ALL nations would have to serve Babylon 70 years, and when THOSE 70 years were fulfilled, Babylon would then come to its end, which we know it did in 539 when Medo-Persian overthrew them.
Serving Babylon had nothing to do with being taken captive there. All nations served Babylon by being under subjection to them, during the time it was a world power. (609-539) Having to be killed or taken captive to Babylon was only based on refusing to serve.
[ 11 And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years]
[ 6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 All the nations will serve him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes, 8If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’9 Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish.11 But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.]
[12 And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘their error, even against the land of the Chal·deʹans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite.]