I posted this awhile back
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/39452/1.ashx
It doesn't directly have anything to do with apostasy, but the contrast between JW's vs. Good Samaritan was disturbing at the time --and still is.
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by avishai inthere are so many examples of jw unkindness to df'd ones and apostates.
one that really jumps out is one i've heard about a single df'd mother with small kids broken down outside a kh, and no one stopped to help her.. the jews and samaritans came from the same background.
they had several different beliefs and the jews no doubt considered them apostate.
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LAWSUIT AGAINST WTS - WRONGFULL DEATH
by SHUNNED FATHER ini filed a lawsuit today against the wts for wrongfull death of my daughter bethany.
i had a press conference and all the media was present.
i will be interviewed later today on two radio talk shows.
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Let's see if you win it. Didn't she plead she didn't want transfusions, but received them against her will?
What a blithering idiot. The refusal of the child, or more specifically the information dispensed by those that should know better which precipitated that refusal is the central issue at stake here. -
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Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses Regarding Doctrine
by Corvin inrecently, xlaurax asked for some good questions to ask jw's when they come to visit.
the following is taken from ray franz's book, crisis of conscience, pages 330 and 331. these are very good questions and should do the job nicely.. .
what plain statement in scripture could anyone, governing body member or anyone else, point to and say, "here, the bible clearly says":.
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XQ,
I'm not a JW and would be one of the last people on earth to try and convince you of the correctness of JW doctrine. I was just curious if you are a JW (Apparently you're not) and if you were answering Corvin as such.
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Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses Regarding Doctrine
by Corvin inrecently, xlaurax asked for some good questions to ask jw's when they come to visit.
the following is taken from ray franz's book, crisis of conscience, pages 330 and 331. these are very good questions and should do the job nicely.. .
what plain statement in scripture could anyone, governing body member or anyone else, point to and say, "here, the bible clearly says":.
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XQ,
1. No. The Governing Body are pastoral caregivers to a non-profit media and development company. There is no reason for them to be in the bible.
The Governing Body of JW?s are far more to them than just pastoral caregivers.
The notion that Jehovah is exclusively working through and directing the F&DS and its "Governing Body" is used by them as a litmus test of one?s Christianity. Reject this idea and you are not a "True Christian" as far as they?re concerned.
Therefore it is the importance that JW?s have attached to this notion that demands its Biblical basis.
2. How can you embrace a hope? Christ words mean squat if you are not a christian. Um almost everyone that has ever died will be ressurected how is that a hope?
Even if the original question was poorly phrased, it still deserves an answer don't you think? Quibbling over words aside, where does the Bible say the heavenly calling was closed in 1935?
Wouldn't this be a serious thing for Christians to be wrong about? Remember one of Jesus' condemnations of the Pharisees? "They do not enter into the Kingdom of heaven, neither do they allow others to."
3. The FDS are a class of two or more christians. They don't opperate through anything. The GB consist of 10 "members". They are flesh and blood eating christians. There are more than 2 of them so they are FDS.
Where does the Bible say any of this?
4. There exclusively is only one class of christians those that end up in heaven.
So do you reject the two class soteriology as taught by JW?s?
5. It says in revelation 7:15 they are worshiping at Gods temple not in his "heavenly courts".
The terminology of the original question requires a little background. The word here in Revelation for "temple" is naos (lit. "Divine Habitation") Although naos could denote the temple as a whole, its meaning was usually restricted to the sanctuary itself, the Holy and Most Holy. Accordingly, naos is consistently used throughout Revelation to denote a heavenly location. See for example Revelation 3:12, 7:15, 11:1, 11:19, 14:15, 15:5, 16:1,17.
In the past, at least, Jehovah?s Witness have attempted to explain this away by claiming that the Great Crowd serve in the "Heavenly Courts" of the "Spiritual Temple" and that they are "Before the Throne" in an entirely different sense than everything else in Revelation that is "Before the Throne."
6. Last time I checked the moon was not turned into blood nor the Sun to darkness.
Do you reject the significance of 1914 as taught by JW's?
7. You really expect me to explain 19th century para-chrisitan numerology with a bible of all things?
The 1914 date is much more to JW?s than "para-Christian numerology." I think most JW's would find this term somewhat offensive.
Acceptance or rejection of 1914 is another JW litmus test of one?s Christianity. Again, it is the importance that JW?s attach to it that demands that it have a Biblical basis, not the unadorned doctrine itself.
Anything less and the Christianity of others is being judged by something other than the Bible. Wouldn't you agree?
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THE WEAKEST LINK---fatal flaws in Watchtower Chronology
by Terry inwatchtower chronology suffers from weak logical links.
after all, they start with an unproven premise and begin linking and linking and linking and suddenly they produce the rabbit out of the hat.
1914 is the rabbit .
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Toreador,
A possible additionaly item for your list, Terry, is that in the JW interpretation, the "greater" fulfillment of the "prophecy" actually begins before the prophecy has even been given.
Please explain that comment please.
The JW's believe the greater fulfillment of the Dream of the Tree began in 607 BC when Jehovah allowed the "tree" of Davidic kingship to be cut down. 607 BC was well before Nebuchadnezzar had even had the dream and well before Belteshazzar had interpreted it. Therefore in the JW interpretation, the prophetic fulfillment actually starts before the prophecy is given. -
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THE WEAKEST LINK---fatal flaws in Watchtower Chronology
by Terry inwatchtower chronology suffers from weak logical links.
after all, they start with an unproven premise and begin linking and linking and linking and suddenly they produce the rabbit out of the hat.
1914 is the rabbit .
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A possible additionaly item for your list, Terry, is that in the JW interpretation, the "greater" fulfillment of the "prophecy" actually begins before the prophecy has even been given.
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Any One Know How Eman Is Doing?
by Undecided in.
i miss mike on here.
he is one of my favorites on this board.. ken p.
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---Poor guy...
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Well okay....
The first time involved some road flares bound together with electrical tape, a few curly wires and an old alarm clock that tick-tocked real loud ---all placed in the principal's desk drawer. He wasn't very amused (Once they peeled him off the ceiling)
The second time involved a simple inverter made from a DPDT relay, an old PA transformer and two penlight batteries. This was placed in a box and gift wrapped with (foil) wrapping paper and a pretty bow. The electronics instructor thought it was funny as hell, but a female teacher in the next class didn't share his opinion.
Thanks Joker for the oppurtunity to get this off my chest. It was cathartic..... -
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New DOOM 3 Game...
by Elsewhere ini just "obtained" a copy of doom 3 to see what all the fuss is about.. lets see here:.
$60.00 to but a copy (if you want to do it the legit way).
now, if you want a good gaming experience you will need to upgrade to a 256 mb video card: $400.00 - $500.00.
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I just finished Doom3.
It played fine on an $99.00 (Fry's Electronics) BFG Asylum GeForce FE5700
It dropped frames now and then at first, but that stopped after I went to their website and downloaded their latest driver
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The Watchtower vs The Clock - where are they headed?
by truthseeker inafter reading janh's 1914 generation post (under the best of section), i was impressed by the amount of research he had put in.
one thing that sticks out while reading it, however, is the sneaky way the watchtower kept extending the length of a generation every few years.. all those oldies who've been around for decades, patiently waiting on jehovah and the society for that long promised paradise are already passing away.
metaphorically speaking, their "spiritual tongue" is longing for that drip of cold crystal clear water from the rivers of paradise.
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Hi, XQ
Can you point me to a reference?
The "Great Crowd" was discussed at length in the May 15, 2001 issue of The Watchtower. 1935 is portrayed as the same "Brilliant Flash of Understanding" as it always has been. Those that were asked to stand at the Washington DC convention are mentioned specifically.