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  WTS pulls another fast one on the flock

  by stichione in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did you notice in today's watchtower study article, paragraph 19, the following:

  "the parties to the new covenant are god and anointed ones.

  jesus is the mediator"

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  OHappyDay

  Strange Watchtower lesson, that!

  On the one hand it said that the anointed do not need anyone to tell them if they are anointed or not.

  On the other hand, the Watchtower then proceeded to do just that: to tell who were anointed and who were not and could not possibly be!

  Even if someone has professed to be anointed but came along after some arbitrary date, the legitimacy of their being of the anointed is called into question by the Watchtower, regardless of what the Spirit says to that individual!
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  New JW Trinity

  by OHappyDay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah.

  the organization.

  but he mentioned the organization and the faithful slave scores of times.. more and more i get the feeling that jesus exists only as a footnote, an after-thought among jehovah's witnesses.

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  Jehovah. The Organization. The Faithful Slave. The new JW trinity.

  This was confirmed at our SD. The speaker, a 20-year Bethelite, spoke for an hour and only mentioned JESUS CHRIST three times. But he mentioned The Organization and The Faithful Slave scores of times.

  More and more I get the feeling that Jesus exists only as a footnote, an after-thought among Jehovah's Witnesses. Despite the upcoming Memorial, now the Lord's Supper (as Christendom always called it and the latest Watchtower seems to prefer), most Witness publications deal with Jesus only in passing. The important actors of the religion are Jehovah. The Organization. and The Faithful Slave.

  Holy, Holy, Holy.
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  Jan 1, 2003 WT. Contradictory messages

  by refiners fire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i know there has been a long thread already on this article, but perhaps i have observed something others have not.

  i dont know cause i havent read the entire thread!!

  anywayive just been reading this keep on the watch article in the wt of january 1, 2003. .

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  OHappyDay

  In Sunday's Watchtower study the "faithful slave" finally admitted that it makes mistakes and is not infallible.

  Jehovah's Witnesses have made the mistake of every Christian denomination since Christ failed to return in the first century. They made the Return the basis of their teachings and hopes. They prophesied it and dated it. All to no avail. Neither chronology nor anything else is of any use. Christ will return when he wants to, and there's nothing we can do about it.

  I agree that the Bible's core message of the good, moral life is what the world needs right now, not apocalyptic proclamations. Serve God and benefit mankind, the spiritual future will take care of itself.
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  30 Years of Service then saved by grace

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  saved by grace after 30 years of service

  brian cole

  from http://www.exjws.net/pioneers/briancole.htm.

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  "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Eph. 2:8

  That's what the Bible says. Plain and simple. It is Pharisees who bind heavy burdens upon the faithful, none of which lead to salvation.
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  Decade of Decline and Stagnation......2002 Report

  by ISP in

  1. social
  2. current

  britain.

  1992 service year report.

  av.

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  OHappyDay

  A sad phenomenon in the US is that many will be interested to the point of studying through the Require brochure or the Knowledge book and then decide they just don't want to be Witnesses after all. So it is not an uninformed decision to reject Witnessism, it is an informed one. They seek -- they study -- and then decide that this is not for them. So they stop studying and go elsewhere.
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  JW Elder convicted of defrauding church members

  by Rado Vleugel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a jw elder was convicted of defrauding elderly and financially unsophisticated congregation members and others out of millions of dollars!.

  read the whole story on http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org.

  rado vleugel.

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  The third posting of this indicates people are hungry for bad news about Witnesses and eager to grab at anything. So what? One elder out of thousands. The Society has long warned against schemes like this, so those who were caught should have been wary.

  You can't blame to Society for what one unscrupulous person does that is against what the Society preaches.

  Unless you are so hungry to find blame that you will grab at anything.
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  Why do so many people here disbelieve allegations?

  by avishai in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is not a question regarding bill bowen/ray franz et.

  al.

  that has been discussed elsewhere.

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  Hello Jim. I enjoyed "Apocalypse Delayed," and am glad to see you posting here.

  I also share your sense of justice. By all means, convict the guilty, but let them be proven guilty first.
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  Question on the NWT translation

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one intresting thing is that both the kingdom interlinear and the nwt is based on the greek text of westcott & hort.

  that is a good text, and was the text for about two generations.

  but today no one except the watchtower society bases their translation on that text.

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  No man is indispensable, not even Franz. There are enough people available who are skilled in koine Greek -- the New Testament was not written in classical Greek -- and Hebrew to put out a new translation or update of the NWT if it was felt to be needed.

  The Westcott and Hort Greek text was not the only one considered in the 1984 Reference Bible (see page 6). At any rate, there are no doctrinal considerations in the differences between WH and newer Greek texts like Nestle-Aland. The NWT used what many considered to be the best at the time. If it were to be translated today, no doubt it would use a different text, utilizing any later textual criticism.
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  Bill Bowen's attack on Ray Franz

  by COJ in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  bill bowens attack on ray franz: .

  i very seldom find time for checking the discussions going on at various debate sites, and wasnt aware of bill bowens statements about ray franz in his original post of oct. 9, 2002 at 7:26 (now evidently altered), until a friend quite recently sent my a copy of it.

  i was not only surprised but was shocked at his statements.

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  OHappyDay

  Like so much else, this has degenerated into a personality dispute.

  I have read Franz's and COJ's books. I have read Bill Bowen's posts. I have no reason to doubt the motives of Franz and COJ.
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  YOU will not BELIEVE THIS

  by JT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just got a call from lady "c" here at work, cnn, abc, cbs, ect trucks are in our subdivision.

  the wife of the sniper lived in the townhouse section of our subdivision.

  i think i am going to be sick.

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  OHappyDay

  One of his wives, JT....the Prophet allows his followers to have several, and this guy did. :)

  Can't understand how a father of children could shoot and threaten children himself...or how a black man could be the instigator of this sick violence. But he is one of Farrakhan's disciples, and we know that Farrakhan's love of the black man did not embrace his own mentor Malcolm X.

  Anyway, good riddance.