Posts by scratchme1010

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Taking the Bible Lessons And Going To a KH For First Time

by Cold Steel in

i've taken the bible lessons but have never attended a kingdom hall.

i was curious as to what point they begin to tighten the screws of control?

let's say you're a baptist.

scratchme1010

I want to address the original post:

I've taken the Bible Lessons but have never attended a Kingdom Hall. I was curious as to what point they begin to tighten the screws of control? Let's say you're a Baptist. At what point do they tell you that you can't attend other churches or read anything critical of the Society?
Also, do they print any "how to" advice on how to bring these things up with those investigating "the Truth"? Have any of you guys had to broach these topics with a new or potential convert? What do they say? I've tried to imagine how one would bring up things like this and shunning to a new member or potential convert. I mean, there's a man or woman who's being shunned right there in the Hall. You think a visitor won't notice? Or what happens if a visitor just approaches the person been shunned and introduces himself? Do the handlers say, "Hey, we're not talking to that person!"
So can anyone help me out on this? These are tough subjects to broach. Do you wait until they're baptized before you start unloading these things on them? And when do they become subject to being shunned?

What do you want to accomplish? Do you want to be a JW and then leave? Do you want to stop taking Bible studies? You are not clear about what you want to do. Seems like you are more interested in finding out information about when/how to address people when they express disinterest, but what for and why?

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Dumbest elder

by Chook in

i went to field service group once and the young elder taking the group was wearing a hat and said the prayer with a hat on.

i informed him later that you are not meant to have head covering, he said he was unaware of such things.

now that the calibre of recruiting on the part of co..

scratchme1010

Dumbass elders were among the main reason for me to start fading and leaving. Through my life as a JW I saw so many low IQ elders directing a congregation and making recommendations to people on life changing decisions! Not to mention all the crap I had to listen to them saying idiotic things and poor interpretations of facts.

Some men are more intelligent than others, but regardless of training, there are men out there who are just not capable of any kind of leadership. They get recommended and sometimes pushed to be elders for the stupidest of reasons, not based on knowledge, intellect or leadership skills.

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Sarah, transsexual: "Witnesses have forbidden my mother to live with me"

by sp74bb in

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final article in www.elperiodico.es.

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/sarah-transexual-los-testigos-han-prohibido-madre-que-viva-conmigo-5454048.

google translate:.

scratchme1010

Typical. They hate that she's a transgender woman, but loooooove the money she sends to them.

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Bad Blood - when safe blood turns into bad blood - The patients' body reaction

by TheWonderofYou in

despite that the sensational title „bad blood“ was selected to „scare?“ the public.

„bad blood - volte-face in intensive care medicine" by ulricke gehring, 2014. available in english .

its about the fight against public unawareness and resistance.

scratchme1010

TheWonderofYou, in all honesty, that's not new. The medical community is more than aware of body rejecting blood (and not only blood). That concept has been around ever since using blood in medicine started.

Those are some of the reasons why the medical industry keeps researching and creating methods and products to substitute blood and to control negative reactions to transfusions. Other reasons have to do with the process of using blood being too costly, and also not having enough blood in blood banks.

The article is interesting; it's good to see the numbers.

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BIG news Trump...His lewd conversation leaks.

by James Mixon in

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if he get pass this, america deserve him...... conversation 10 years ago..

scratchme1010

Just my two cents. I agree with those who say that they don't need that piece of evidence to know who/how that walking vulgarity named Donald Trump is. I don't either.

However, even though his popularity hasn't grown a lot compared to that of other candidates, it is still growing. There are people out there, undecided, entertaining the idea of voting for that aberration, some even looking for an excuse to do so, and the reasons that they give are just insane.

As "bad" as they say she is and as imperfect as I believe Hillary Clinton is, I really have to look at who can better lead the country. I love the idea of libertarianism, but unfortunately the choice for that is a clown, not to mention the educational uphill battle that any alternative has. So that's out of the question. At this point, a vote for Garry Johnson is a waste of vote. To me is about choosing who can really address the challenges in this country, and who can work to unify it. That pig named Donald Trump is definitely not the person to accomplish any of it.

What I find really sad and frightening is the rather large amounts of Americans who entertain and are sold on that POS named Donald Trump. It's more alarming to me to see that many people willing to vote for that --it. And the problem, I think, is not the filth that Donald Trump vomits out of his behind when he open his mouth, or what he tries to sell. It's the psychological profile and mentality of the non-politician average American who follows that crap.

Case in point, those who are not aware, look at this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-me/2016/10/01/c9b6f334-7f68-11e6-9070-5c4905bf40dc_story.html

This is the real issue that America is facing. That's what I believe needs to be addressed. How do you start dealing with people like that nut job? There are way too many people like her here, and that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump or any other politician for that matter.

As for me, for as long as every time something that Donald Trump (I ran out of disgusting ways of describing that thing) says something stupid and there's an avalanche of surrogates explaining what he says and trying to divert it to "Hillary said this! She did that!", I'm not taking that candidate seriously.

I feel sorry for true republicans and conservatives, in a way, for having that thing representing them, but at the same time, the Republican party has to look into itself and get their effing act together. That's what you get for the infighting; that's what you get when you become the party of no; that's what you get when you become an "anything but Obama". They earned Donald Trump.

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What steps did you take to free yourself from the cult? mentally or physically?

by HereIgo in

first i ignored all of the elders phone calls to send my recommendation letter to my new congregation, truth is i had already started my fade and moved across town and didn't have a new congregation.

i deleted all jw friends on facebook.

i also threw away all of my public talks recorded on cd, all literature, even my book bag and my bible.

scratchme1010

To me it was very important to leave in my terms and because I said so, so I did a whole lot of lying and pretending to avoid getting disfellowshipped.

I changed congregations and went to a place where they didn't know me (even though I knew that the record will follow), I started college in the evenings, I started building relationships outside the congregation. I also had a boyfriend who gave me a lot of support in my fading process.

When elders and other people in the congregation started asking questions, I kept my responses vague and will throw something about a very recent WT article so they saw that I was current, and I kept myself as undetectable as possible.

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Feeling very lonely

by BlackWolf in

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the past few months i've been feeling really depressed and kind of hopeless.

the few people that actually were a little bit friendly to me at the hall recently moved away, and i'm feeling like more of an outcast than i already was.

every meeting i just stand by myself by the wall and nobody cares, i feel really lonely and unloved.

scratchme1010

Blackwolf, you remind me of me when I was in a almost identical situation. The JWs do that for no reason. To them you may not be cool enough to deserve their attention. Or it may be simply based in some ill-intended gossip that for some reason they love taking as factual information.

Moving forward, I wish I could tell you that things will turn around, but not only they may not, but also it's better for you.

Questions, are you happy being a JW (forget about how you are treated in the congregation)? Do you believe in what they teach? Do you want to remain a JW? Do you enjoy their activites and are you ok abiding their rules and guidelines? If so I'd suggest to start going to another congregation, maybe you may make better connections with people from the congregation.

However, if on the other hand you find yourself questioning your faith and belonging to that organization, this is a great opportunity that is being handed to you. You have now plenty of time and space to start informing yourself about alternatives and maybe making a move. The good thing about people not paying attention to you is that you can get away with doing plenty, and that my friend, is definitely reason to be depressed.

I was in a similar state in the congregation and I went through a period of depression over the mistreatment and neglect from the people who are supposed to be loving. I even went through a conflicted time when I started feeling bad for feeling good outside the congregation. I got that over really soon as I got a taste of what a better life and really caring people are.

I'm not encouraging you to stay or leave, but I do encourage you to realize that you do not deserve to be mistreated, especially if you are being a good JW.

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Some real gems from the KH!

by DATA-DOG in

well, i went to the kh.... why?

i had my reasons, but i had a real nice cocktail before hand.

anyway, the talk was "why does god permit suffering?

scratchme1010

As creepy as it sounds, they basically say, "Whatever you do as far as sex is concerned, is your business.." I can't go get the article because my wife is right next to me, annoying the crap out of me, but check it out. It's super creepy. Even creepier than the GB policing sexual matters. It's the strangest thing I've read in a long time....

LOL! Makes me so happy that I left when I did. Thanks for sharing, sorry you had to put up with that and wasted a few hours that you'll never recover.

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Lett is such a comedian..

by Festus in

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cant help it but in this video - "win the inner struggle" - during the first minute he points to his head with his index finger.

and i was just waiting him to shout out loco loudly.... https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201609_1_video.

and those facial expressions..sweet jesus!.

scratchme1010

I don't need to watch a video to know that he's a clown.

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What if Jesus Christ was not put to death by the Romans but instead died a natural death?

by deegee in

according to christianity, the death of jesus was a miscarriage of justice.

so then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that jesus was not put to death by the romans but he instead died a natural death?

would christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?.

scratchme1010

According to Christianity, the death of Jesus was a miscarriage of justice. So then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that Jesus was not put to death by the Romans but he instead died a natural death? Would Christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?

No, they never have and never will because this is all nonsense.