Posts by thewiz

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Raymond Franz

by obiwan in

has anyone read the book crisis of conscience?i want to get it,but i would like to know if the information is helpful.. wow it's a wide open world,use your.

own thoughts.

thewiz

It's a good read. On a scale from 1 to 10, I would give it a 6-1/2

second time around
got <= 20 pages to go
it has been updated since, I have a 2000 ed.

also have
In Search of Christian Freedom
<= 400 or 500 pages to go

Now for my review:

I found the book has little self deprecation, and is duplicitous.

He also almost always puts himself in the light of the one-and-only "innovator/thinker/true bible reader/toots his own horn."

Rarely, if ever apologizes for any damage he caused when he was a Jdub (it was everybody else's fault).

Somehow holds with esteem Ted Armstrong's group and the journal, The Plain Truth because they admited that they were mistaken about this and that, and not sticking to the teachings of Christ, blah, blah, blah. -The net result in both cases is lives wastfully spent and ruined. So what's the point he's trying to make.

Bitches about how they railroaded him for Apostacy/association and then proceeds to list out a bunch of stuff (in the 2nd? to last chapter) that clearly, if compared against the WTB&TS teachings, makes him an Apostate.

It's not that I don't believe him (and I don't believe EVERYTHING he says), but if many here say that members of the GB either good or bad liars, what do you think Mr. Raymod Franz was for 40+ years, and 9 years on the GB?

He was there at the time I made my fateful decision not to pursue college for all the maladjusted reasoning pounded into my head by a society he was part "leader" of. I haven't removed him from my blame list and never will.

you want an honest review? I think I gave you one.

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Current JW Urban Legend about Dateline

by bboyneko in

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apparantly it has been circulating that barabara anderson was wearing a cross in her interview :) (not true).

any others been going around?

thewiz

Mr Biggs

Loyal JW's look for flaws in EVERYTHING!

like this place doesn't?

over 90% of these boreds is bitching and looking for flaws in just about everything the WTB&TS does or doesn't do.

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go ahead demean/discredit my point by making insults. It always appears to be the first attack.

so before anyon starts

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Why is Jehovah allowing his name to be disgraced?

by IslandWoman in

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jehovah's name, the very name associated with jehovah's witnesses is being disgraced, trampled upon as never before in the organization's history!!.

in the past jehovah's witnesses have been reproached for standing up in defense of jehovah and his word.

jehovah's name was sanctified at all costs and it appears from their history books that jehovah was making a good name for himself by means of their integrity.

thewiz

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Top 10 ways to get rid of Dubs at the door

by absolutelynoone in

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10. when they ask, "can i talk to you about god?

" reply, "sure, what would you like to know?

9. answer the door with a bloody knife and say, "i'm sorry, could you come back in a half hour?

thewiz

only 3 on my list,

1)I'm
2)an
3)apostate

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On a more serious note though

Tell them about your piercing in your frenulum, and I'm not talking about the one under the tongue

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Why is Jehovah allowing his name to be disgraced?

by IslandWoman in

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jehovah's name, the very name associated with jehovah's witnesses is being disgraced, trampled upon as never before in the organization's history!!.

in the past jehovah's witnesses have been reproached for standing up in defense of jehovah and his word.

jehovah's name was sanctified at all costs and it appears from their history books that jehovah was making a good name for himself by means of their integrity.

thewiz

What really amazes me if you guys profess to be who you profess to be (enlightening the world by exposing the WTB&TS for it's failings and or hypocrisy) and it doesn't bother you to be involved in the political process, then are YOU not at fault as well?

If it doesn't bother YOU to be involved in the political process then why don't you bunch of active people push for legislation that would require ALL states to have reporting of child abuse/molestation a requirement. You blame the WTB&TS for the laws that your state doens't even require. What is it, ONLY 16 states have laws on the books for reporting? I find THAT deplorable as well as the procedures that the WTB&TS use.

Go one step futher, and instead of making it at the state level push for the Federal level. Also, YOUR (as well as mine) criminal justice system is so made up that these perverts are, and can be released back into the "wild" and "hunt" again. The people who make up these laws and limitations are people YOU voted (that is, if you vote) into office.

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Thanks for the enlightment that someone provided, which I never really thought about before. Someone would not have privileges in the cong. to do something as simple as the mics. but they have the endorsement by the WTB&TS to go door-to-door, putting innocent children and their families at risk. But what I don't understand, if a person wnats to go door-to-door anyway who is to stop them. Or better, how can they be stopped from going door-to-door?

What I'm basically asking/saying is, what is the solution?
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I NEED EVERYONE'S OPINION

by StinkyPantz in

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i was recently disfellowshipped, i guess about 9 months ago, but i always figured that i would get reinstated.

fortunately, i decided that since i wasn't an active witness i could go ahead and read all that naughty apostate literature that we weren't allowed to read before.

well, i'm glad that i did, because now my eyes are open.

thewiz

With nothing else but the WTB&TS's own literature. Just present it and walk away. Let them make up their own minds. Don't elaborate, don't say anything extra -except for extreme cases, because if you, a DF'ed person say anything beyond their print you WILLlose.

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DATELINE: BLACK ART OF PROPAGANDA

by You Know in

hardly anyone has an honest opinion about anything of importance that wasnt craftily pre-packaged and handed to them by someone else whose job it is to craft public opinion.

the intention of the media is to present the illusion of impartially informing, all the while pandering to prejudice and ignorance in order to persuade to a particular point of view.

datelines presentation of the watchtowers child abuse issue was a case study in the black art of media propaganda.. from the very beginning of the presentation dateline was intent on giving the public a negative impression of jehovahs witnesses by portraying us all as oddball crackpots whose religion revolves around the doctrine that we dont celebrate birthdays and that all non-believers are possessed by the devil and that we want them all to die.

thewiz

Didn't catch all the BS on this thread, but I did get down far enough to see something that stood out, at least to me.

YouKnow
You make some points and I understand your angle, I think. But come on, I'm tired of being scammed and manipulated by a/n b/org you can't question, without threats of DF-ing. BTW -that should stand for Dead F$%ker, then they leave "their" flock holding the bag and looking like fools. There are many really good people in the WTB&TS, and then the b/org comes along and placates them. Bunch of old men who can hardly chew their own food and have to have it puked down their gullets. So I guess they pass on that mentality on to "their" own flock.

I want to believe and yet I don't want to believe. It's this indecision of mine of what REALLY to believe.

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First, let me stand on my soap-box once again and play the worlds smallest violin while I'm at it.

Lets not forget the great America who dropped the atomic bomb for the cause of freedom and liberty some 60 years ago.

If they didn't drop those bombs, we'd be crawling with commies, then where would our freedom be? In the sh$%hole, that's where.

Reborn2002
I like the picture you posted from the WTB&TS literature. Just replace all those "white" people with little Japanese children that were in Nagaskai and Hiroshama the day those bombs were dropped by a so-called "christian" nation.

and although a dispicable act , when a "non-christian" nation plows into two bldgs, some how the jDubs are bad guys right along with them.

How dare the WTB&TS not allow "their" flock to go right out there and kill like the b/r/est of 'em. Yeah, that's what I've always wanted to do, kill innocent people, but the WTB&TS won't let me.

How dare the WTB&TS not allow "their" flock do choke their lungs out on "sciggs." I told 'em, "but I want to die from cancer and emphasema, just like my grandpaappy did." They said, "Sorry, but if you want to go and kill yourself, your're gonna have to leave."

my ying and yang about the matter

oops
Read the book Hiroshima
by John Hersey
and you will see the "Japs" are just like us. They bleed and die just like us "whities" and guess what they're people too. That's what the "heroes" did to poor little children.

oh yeah and this one too
At Dawn We Slept: The Untold Story of Pearl Harbor
by Gordon William Prange -kinda makes you wonder whether we really are the "good-guys" or just another group of terrorists. It all depends on who is doing the killing, I guess.

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How about a laugh? PICTURE 2

by ballistic in

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here's a picture straight from jw-media.org.

all post what you think the one guy is saying to the other.... .

i've got a few ideas.

thewiz

See? right here. Here is where it says the end will come in 1975, Just twist this and that, erase that period there and you got it.

When you got someone telling you what to do, it's a no-brainer

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Real god name: Jehovah, Yahweh??

by Yaron777 in

i just today found this forum and read these discussion in here, some good stuff found, thanks.

reason why i'm here is, because one of my friend is jehovah witness, and we have discussed many things.

i myself don't know very much about bible.

thewiz

So If I, me personally were to address my own flesh and blood Father would I call him by his first name or name? Or would I use a more proper "term" to demonstrate relationship or endearment or even status?

I.e. Dad, Father, Poppa, etc.

OK, so in that context would the people then around me address my father as Dad, Father, Pops, Poppa, etc. or would/should they have sense enough to replace the realtionship term I use when speaking of my own Father, with my Father's name?

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Favorite Sigs I have seen --Fluff

by thewiz in

cross my fingers and hope this works.

beat that and more to come.

homer simpson and a tiger

thewiz

I was hoping someone would make a post and supply me with the kind of info you did Xander

thanks