Posts by sunshineToo

i must add also, that although i had heard alot about the child abuse, it was extremely shocking to have it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, and to also watch the gb's cowardly response to the case.. i know this will make a huge impact on my jw freinds, and am very keen to get the story over here on perhaps "60 minutes" being the most relevant show.

sunshineToo

Jesika??? Is that you? It's me, Ji! Good to see you here!

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Aussies - Need help, getting the news over here

by In_between_days in

to everyone from australia,.

i have viewed the recent airings on both bbc panorama and dateline, and was extremely disturbed and tearful from the child abuse cases.

i must add also, that although i had heard alot about the child abuse, it was extremely shocking to have it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, and to also watch the gb's cowardly response to the case.. i know this will make a huge impact on my jw freinds, and am very keen to get the story over here on perhaps "60 minutes" being the most relevant show.

sunshineToo

Well, there's nothing you can do, I'm afraid, unless you are one of the victims.

I've tried to contact lawyers and the media in behalf of the abuse victims, but they didn't seem to pay attention to me. A friend of mine who is more experienced in this area told me that no one is going to listen to me unless I am one of the victims.

I understand that there were 4 victims who came forward in U.K. and who already have filed the lawsuits. So if you know any reporter personally, tell him/her about www.silentlambs.org and the recent airs of Dateline NBC and Panorama BBC. Or contact Bill Bowen at the silent lambs' website. He might have a list of victims from your country.

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An interesting conversation

by Salud in

i want to share this experience i recently had with everyone here.

last weekend i spoke to my good friend who was a jw elder but has since stepped down, nonetheless still calls me on a regular basis despite my being df'd.

first he tells me that the dateline topic is hot.

sunshineToo

Salud said:

She proceeded to say how Jehovah is blessing the organization because of the increase this year (yup, everyone knows about the increase) well I told her that if that is the case then I will become a Mormon since they are growing faster than the Witnesses, then I stopped and said, no wait! I will become a Muslim. They are growing faster yet!! Of course she told me I can become whatever I want.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ;-D That was a good one!!!

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ruse

by teejay in

for some reason, and i don't know why, the bbc program has evoked feelings that the dateline program never did.

i think it must have been the cops.. i was raised with few advantages.

single (black) mother, raising six children on her own.... no father.

sunshineToo

I didn't understand the word, "ruse" first. So I looked up my Webster's Dictionary, and it says that "ruse" means "subterfuge". Huh???????? What is "subterfuge"????????? x-p So I looked up "subterfuge"................ O.K. Now I understand.

Well, teejay, I think you and I are going through the same thing. And it seems like many in this forum, too, are in the same boat as we are. I've talked to several people both the witnesses and "worldly" people, and have written quite a few emails to people.

I am no longer a witness since last week. I am free in a way, but I feel happiness and sadness at the same time. I feel like I have been betrayed by "the truth". I think it is kind of like getting broken hearted. A couple of nights ago when I learned about a Canadian brother who tried to save his daughter, I cried all day. I don't know. I just couldn't stop my tears. I wanted to help, but I was helpless. I know that Jehovah God knows what we are going through.

teejay, I believe that we, you and I and everyone in this forum have to move ahead. Do not feel that the witnesses tricked on you and your family. Chances are they are "victims of victims" and "followers of followers". For me I don't blame anyone, well, except for the WTS. ;-p

There are many decent people in the JW organization, who are not seeing what we are seeing. All we can do is praying for those people and the others who might become another "victims of victims" and "followers of followers." When you have a chance, speak out discreetly. It is so easy to become so emotional, but we have to remember that the witnesses are human being, too, with hearts and warm blood. If they didn't have any decency, they wouldn't become the JWs in the first place. Wouldn't you agree? ;-)

Take care of yourself, teejay. And remember that you are not alone. There are so many of us, and there are Jehovah and Jesus Christ. They are watching us, too, feeling our pain.

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Panorama Fallout Begins

by Valis in

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well, here we go...i sent the panorama info to my relatives and thought i would share some of the more choice pieces i recieved so far.. .

i would also like to add that i have left her personally negative comments in the text because i have nothing to hide about my relationship w/my kids or my family and will have no regrets when the worms come.....nuff said!

my original email... .

sunshineToo

District Overbeer or Valis, whichever you prefer,

Your situation is really sad. However, every negative comment on the WTS is received as direct attack on the JWs themselves and on God. That is very sad.

For me I've decided not to talk to them about it unless they ask me specifically. I want them to know that I don't hate them, but just have problem with the WTS.

My mom is a witness. Past few weeks have been so difficult for both of us. But I now feel closer to my mom and other family members. My mom pressured me a lot, but that proves that she loves me so much. I tell her every time when we talk that I love her. She still tells me that she loves me, too. Fortunately my rest of the family members are not witnesses. I feel bad for my mom in a way. I'll try to make her feel as comfortable as possible. Not talking about the WTS is one of them, I think.

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Phil Donahue and JW's

by teenyuck in

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phil donahue debuted on msnbc tonight.

i entered his rant after it started, however, it was about the pledge of allegiance and jw's.

his guest is pat buchanan and phil is ranting about how great the jw supreme court decision was in 1942. he said the witnesses were persecuted for not pledging and that they were brave people.

sunshineToo

I wonder if he knows about the child molestation cases among the JWs. :-o

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Relatives Now Shunned

by Thirdson in

previously on the watchtower media site there were (at best) some half-truths about members who no longer associate and disfellowshipping not breaking family ties.

they even said "pastoral visits".

this appears to have changed, no doubt because they were two-faced.do you shun former members?.

sunshineToo

Please read 1988 Apr.15 Watchtower mag. "Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit".

Both DF and DA are to be shunned. They say that it'll be hard when the family ties are involved. But they also say that it is "a test of loyalty to God".

The Bible talks about shunning "antichrist" and others such as fornicators, adulterers.....etc. But I'm none of those. Why do I have to be shunned? ( whine, whine....;-p)

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DO YOU FEEL GUILTY ?

by minimus in

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one of the positive things about this board is the ability to express opinions and feelings.have you ever felt guilty for doing or saying something because of witness ignorance?

i remember many years ago disfellowshipping a terminally ill older woman because she chose to live with her disfellowshipped "apostate" daughter who was caring for her.

this still haunts me and makes me realize the unbelievable power elders can have.

sunshineToo

Wow, that sounds too extreme! Even Watchtower article says otherwise. I think it was 4/15/88 article regarding the DF/DA. It says to keep the communications to very minimal, but in case a family member needs care, the article says that whether he is df or da, you should take care of him.

In your case, I don't know how long ago it was, but it really sounds like they ( the elders ) mishandled the situation. ( sigh.....) Another broken heart..........;-(