Posts by suavojr

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The Revelation of Saint John the Divine

by Caupon in

apparently there are anointed members of god's earthy organization, or the jehova's christian witness church.

my understanding of this is that those select few appointed by holy spirit directed by he who is above will rule over the other sheep with the jesus in heaven.

their biblical proof of this is supposedly in the acts of the apostles and the last book, the revelation.

Franz books

by zebagain in

i have read crisis of conscience (what a revelation!

) and franz wrote another "in search of christian freedom" can anyone direct me to a pdf of that book please..

I did it !!!!

by snare&racket in

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7 years ago i started on a path i had long ago given up on as impossible.

i met with my elders and told them i could not justify carrying on as a jw.

i went and got my high school qualifications and my higher education diploma (a levels with distinction) in just 12 months.

suavojr

Great! This is good news and best of luck. Will you be willing to treat a JW with no blood????

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The Annual Meeting Quote

by confusedandalone in

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someone told me today that at the annual meeting something was said along the lines that, we do not need to be like the boreans and search that everything is true because we know we have the truth.

can anyone confirm this?.

The Annual Meeting Quote

by confusedandalone in

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friends

someone told me today that at the annual meeting something was said along the lines that, we do not need to be like the boreans and search that everything is true because we know we have the truth.

can anyone confirm this?.

suavojr

What I recall was the comment from Gerrit Lösch when he said we don't need to test the faith itself, we should test ourselves to be sure that we are in the truth.

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watchtower library 2013 spanish please!!! por favor en español..

by ar123 in

any of you guys have the watchtower library 2013 in spanish???

alguno de ustedes tiene la watchtower library 2013 en espanol?.

alguien lo podria subir??.

Graphic comment on last week's book study.

by Slidin Fast in

i offer this with out further comment:.

12 the mosaic law made it a capital offense to profane gods name.

(leviticus 24:16).

When you see the bible in action and in real life. It leaves you with a different taste, doesn't it? These are the things in the bible that shows how God cannot be real and if he is, then he is no better than Hitler.

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Question to atheists: if there is no creator/god---

by prologos in

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if you are sure there is no god, do you then believe that we,our minds, are the highest intelligence?

not just of the universe, but the cosmos?.

suavojr

cofty said:

An atheist is unconvinced by the grandiose claims of theism, bored by the irrelevance of deism and can't understand why agnostics think "I haven't decided yet" deserves a label.

Why can't you understand agnostics haven't decided yet? I am sure you did not wake up overnight and say I don't belive in God anymore

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How Many Circuit Overseers And District Overseers Really Believe The Governing Body Is Really The Faithful and Discreet Slave and That The Watchtower Is God's Earthly Organization?

by frankiespeakin in

i'm thinking around 20% have serious doubts and 99% have some doubts but keep them from becoming conscious to avoid cognitive dissonance.

this is becoming increasingly harder to do over the fact that the governing body are showing their true colors and the contridictions are so great..

suavojr

It has to be small percentage, but the few that wake up know what the price is for speaking out. I am sure that 100% of the DO's and CO's have doubts and simply handle it by applying faith as the fix for everything.

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Starting from a false Premise.

by Phizzy in

we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.

believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..

suavojr

The question is, what will you do with the evidence in front of you?