Posts by Rattigan350

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My Experience In Getting A Loved One Out

by notsurewheretogo in

this is my own experience so i'll share it in that it might help others.

this may not work for others but it seems to be working for me.. .

a little background...i'm happily married and 3 years ago i was an elder and my wife was a pioneer, we have 3 kids.

Rattigan350

"As to "where should you go," at John 6:68, Peter allegedly said to Jesus, " “Lord, whom shall we go away to? "

It was all about WHO should be followed, a person. It was not about a location or, in the case of the WTBTS, an organization."

Not exactly. When Jesus asked them if they are leaving him also, Peter replied

“Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life,"

He liked the sayings of life and if he left Jesus where or to whom would have sayings like them.

I don't think a differentiation of whom or where matters. The focus was leaving Jesus. Then Jesus vs someone else or no one.

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The Emperor with No Clothes On Decries Tight Pants.

by steve2 in

jw
friends

for a religious group that has become more and more reader's digest vapid across recent decades, whose ability to defend its doctrines and policies depends on punishing independent thinking and whose meetings are sleep inducing snooze-fests, a talk about sexy clothes is about as desperately arousing as it can get without unzipping one's pants.. but among those who know the religious organization behind tony morris's attention-grabbing address to the faithful, this is anything but surprising.

when you've harped on for long, unforgiving decades about the nearness of the end, whilst simultaneously shoring up treasures on earth - some ear-marked for completion in 2017 - expect even your more loyal followers to shuffle their tired, bedraggled feet and barely stifle forceful yawns.

hell, they may even contemplate tighter fitting clothes because all else is miserably bland - except for the razzle-dazzle of an alluring, colorful world intent on arousing you out of your sad slumber.. so these self-appointed emperors or governing body member focus on anything that threatens a straying spirit.

Rattigan350

It must have been a standard outline.The Tight Pants and homosexual designers were stated 30 years ago.

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Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??

by FeelingFree in

i hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.

as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.

maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.

Rattigan350

I would think that the better question would be: Why doesn't the abused child go directly to the police?

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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

Rattigan350

I saw news reports about the lawsuit and the a TV broadcast with the reporter was standing in front of the Kingdom Hall.

San Diego huh? A good big metro market to get the word out.

18

How to Bewilder a Witness!

by The Searcher in

ask a witness what seems like a simple bible question: "nine verses in the bible tell us that jesus is going to judge the living and the dead.

(john 5:28,29, acts 10:42, acts 17:31, romans 14:9, 2 cor.

5:10, 2 tim.

Rattigan350

": "Nine verses in the Bible tell us that Jesus is going to judge the living and the dead. "

Those who have died will be made alive to be with those living.

It's not that difficult. But you are right, if they were acquitted of their sins at death, then of what will the be judged?

Bible makes no sense.

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Where is Jesus RIGHT NOW?

by kairos in

let's say he began ruling in 1914.. where is that rulership?.

i'm hoping this line of thought gets someone thinking.. .

.

Rattigan350

What do you want? Latitude and longitude and elevation?

He is a spirit and thus has no physical location.

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Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

by AndersonsInfo in

jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

Rattigan350

The outcome is that the evidence and the conclusion is more accurate.

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Did Josephus believe in Jesus as The Christ?

by opusdei1972 in

here is the questioned josephus' text :.

now, there was about this time jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful worksa teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.

he drew over to him both many of the jews, and many of the gentiles.

Rattigan350

Ask him.

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Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people who don't practice war and who preach worldwide!

by EndofMysteries in

this is what somebody has been telling me, trying to convince me aside from anything one can say or cause reason for doubt, as the evidence that they are the true religion and true people of god.

they are convinced because while 'all other' christian and other religions support war, troops, etc, jw's don't and they are the only one's who carry god's name and preach.

nothing else matters.

Rattigan350

Syme is right "they consider themselves citizens of "God's government" and thus cannot serve in another government's army"

But the problem with that is that they seek and benefit from the Allies in WWII to rescue them from the Nazis.

Get someone else to do their dirty work.

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

Rattigan350

"One example of dishonest journalism must be the referrences to the early church fathers. The SYBITT brochure states thatall the church fathers agreed that Jesus was not God. Too bad for the WTS that the opposite of what they state is true with plenty of easily obtainable written evidence."

Why does it matter what the early church fathers said? What did they know? Why does it matter what Tertulian or Ireneus or Justin Martyr said?

I don't understand why that matters. Who cares what they quote or not from them??