Posts by Rattigan350

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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

by slimboyfat in

for jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.

but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?

new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.

Rattigan350

To scholar and aqwsed12345.

Why are you talking about the NWT and the trinity?

I can and do disprove the trinity without using the NWT at all. The KJV has so many spurious added text to support the trinity. 1 John 5:7; Matt 28:19; Rev 1:11; 1 Tim 3:16 to name a few. Many other translations point that out with footnotes and the exclusions of those texts.

The trinitarians have their pet scriptures.

They connect John 8:58 with the I AM with Ex 3:14 I AM. I ask people who was the first person to make that connection. No one knows. I know that the apostles didn't make that connection. Many times the apostles will add commentary stating that Jesus was quoting scripture. But they don't do that with this, because there was no connection. It's all made up.

But yet they ignore the connections that have many supports.

Such as Ps 110:1 ASV "Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Jesus, Peter and Paul quoted that several times, acknowledging that Jesus was the Lord in that sentence, not Jehovah. Stephen said " I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."

(Standing, sitting. Even spirit beings need to change positions every once in a while.)

I hold Jesus, Peter and Paul above some unknown pastor in their references.

They use such weak support such as the Jews and pharisees wanted to kill him from what he said. The pharisees wanted to kill him because he overturned the tables in the temple and was a threat to their lifestyle. They just needed to invent a means to have him killed by the Romans. But why would people accept the reasonings of non-believers?

They say that Thomas' statement 'My Lord and My God' proves that Jesus was God. Again, why take the statement of a doubter? Jesus' identity wasn't the topic there. They say because Jesus didn't refute that. Jesus didn't go around correcting everything and everyone. He mainly corrected the pharisees.

However they dismiss Matt 16:15,16 where Jesus directly asks Peter who he thought Jesus was and "Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”". I give that much more weight than the statement by Thomas.

So forget John 1:1 and the NWT. There are numerous translations other than the NWT that do not translate it as 'the Word was God'.

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Blood Fractions

by alice.in.wonderland in

someone is pressing me about blood fractions on an unrelated thread, so i just moved the topic to an appropriate location.. "the point for me in every thread you touch is your sickening dishonesty and nauseating apologies for the old men in brooklyn who tell you what to do.. they have told you that products made from blood don't use blood, and you are so corrupt and gullible you just accept it.".

i accept any bible-based religion that adheres to the bible as its authority.. the purpose of this magazine, the watchtower, is to honor jehovah god, the supreme ruler of the universe.

just as watchtowers in ancient times enabled a person to observe developments from afar, so this magazine shows us the significance of world events in the light of bible prophecies.

Rattigan350

I don't think any of you know what you are talking about here.

While the Law is not in force today, we learn from it's reasons.

Lev 17:10-11

“‘If any man of the house of Israel or any foreigner who is residing in your midst eats any sort of blood, I will certainly set my face against the one who is eating the blood, and I will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have given it on the altar for you to make atonement for yourselves, because it is the blood that makes atonement by means of the life in it.  That is why I have said to the Israelites: “None of you should eat blood, and no foreigner who is residing in your midst should eat blood.”

We are not in the house of Israel or residing in it's midst.

Life of the flesh is in the blood

Blood was to be used on the altar for atonement. Only dead animals were used for atonement, not live ones. They didn't take the blood from live animals and use it for sacrifices as that would not be a sacrifice. The blood of dead animals was used and the life was in the blood because that blood represented the life lost.

So, taking the blood from a live human, it can not be said that the life is in the blood because no life was lost.

So, any fractions or transfusions is not in violation of the Law because no life is lost as life is not in the blood so blood does not represent life.

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A jury acquits Jehovah’s Witness in PA.

by was a new boy in

trial of lancaster city jehovah’s witness member accused of molestation begins.

jose antonio serrano.

lancaster county prison.

Rattigan350

1990s. How can anyone remember anything that happened 30 years ago?

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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

by slimboyfat in

for jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.

but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?

new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.

Rattigan350

aqwsed12345, you are arguing that John 1:1 states that Jesus is God and many people believe that Jesus is God because of that. That was written 65 years after Jesus died.

What did people believe prior to that? During those 65 years?

And why did John write the prologue?

Nowhere in Acts does it teach that Jesus was God. Infact it teaches the opposite. Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God 7:56 just like it says in Ps 110:1. In Acts 2 Peter states that God resurrected Jesus.

Did John write 1:1 because Stephen and Peter were wrong?

The book of John was a biography of Jesus. It starts just before his baptism with John, after his baptism with the calling of his apostles. then chapt 2 with his first miracle.

You see, John wrote the prologue to tell the readers that this Jesus was not some dude with charisma doing magic tricks. He had a divine existence before his birth. John did not state that Jesus was the God that they knew as Yahweh, because John 1:4 says "So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father". The Word became flesh, not God became flesh.

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THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.

these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.

these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.

Rattigan350

Back in the 1980 there was Fred Franz & Carey Barber who were in Bethel since the 1920. People had history behind them.

Now what is there?

They worked in the service dept.

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The Bible Does Not Say

by blondie in

jw
friends

the wts often uses the phrase about then follows with their idea of what their god meant.

i have p0sted some of the most recent.

it is worth a look at more.

Rattigan350

Actually your post should be:

Does the Bible need to say?

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October Elder's Letter Delayed- Big Announcement at Annual Meeting

by Newly Enlightened in

https://youtu.be/93h5zpbil6k?si=ffatfxjuxmj_na9i.

Rattigan350

The new songs feel like it is 1978.

Which is a good thing.

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Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

by slimboyfat in

the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

Rattigan350

aqwsed

"This scene is clearly a heavenly vision, as they are described as being "before the throne" of God, which is in heaven, not on earth."

Being before the throne has nothing to do with location.

"This verse, along with others such as Philippians 1:23, clearly speaks of a hope for immediate presence with the Lord after death for believers. It affirms the hope of all believers, not just a select few, to be with Christ. "

The reason for being resurrection to heaven is not to be with Jesus. That is what pastors teach to get people to come to their churches. The only immediate presence with Jesus after death is for after Jesus becomes king and their resurrection is instant and they don't sleep in death.

Prior they slept in death waiting.

You shouldn't look at what this or that scripture says and what the translations say.

Look at the mechanics of how things work:

There is no reason for more than 144,000 to be in heaven.

There is no reason for anyone ruling to be on earth. Ruling on earth has no power. It can't accomplish what is needed to accomplish, i.e. resurrect billions and judge them.

Jesus said his kingdom was no part of this world. That is because it would rule from heaven, not from this world.

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Rattigan350

"Where on earth does Jackson think that the rank and file got the idea that the number of anointed would decrease as we got closer to Armageddon?"

Well, because the number of partakers went down in 1995. The increase since then is not real. More have not been anointed. Those are just people who want to believe they have been anointed.

I'd say that there is just a handfull of anointed left on earth.

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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

by slimboyfat in

for jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.

but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?

new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.

Rattigan350

Simple. JWs want to serve the true God Jehovah. No one else does.