it's kind of hard to love and trust someone who will off thousands of persons merely because they bitched becaused they were bored of bread...and that's just for starters.. .
i tried to rationalize it as jw saying, "well, we are jehovah's possessions, he created us and, by killing us, he is just reclaiming what is his.".
that is not a very firm foundation for true love.
According to the Bible we were made in god's image. We know we weren't made in his image physically so it must mean mentally or morally. Paul said that the law was written on the hearts of even the unbelievers. We all know right from wrong so we shouldn't have any trouble judging "god".
TimB
it's kind of hard to love and trust someone who will off thousands of persons merely because they bitched becaused they were bored of bread...and that's just for starters.. .
i tried to rationalize it as jw saying, "well, we are jehovah's possessions, he created us and, by killing us, he is just reclaiming what is his.".
that is not a very firm foundation for true love.
If Jehovah were a man and were put on trial by your own concience. How would he do?
Charges:
Wiped out several cities in the land of Canaan. Specifically ordered the killing of all men, women and children.
Is planning to kill over 6 billion in the near future for no other reason but that they don't worship him.
Withholds food and medical attention while watching millions die.
Demands regular worship and praise under the threat of death.
We could go on and on.
Who would want to be the lawyer defending this guy?
TimB
it's a proven fact!!
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anyway, i thought the dating thing was suppose to get easier when you got older..come on guys..what makes you tick???
What???????????? You mean just because they say I'm the best ever doesn't mean I really am? Damn.
Wait! Does it count when they say it after sex?
it's a proven fact!!
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anyway, i thought the dating thing was suppose to get easier when you got older..come on guys..what makes you tick???
Noidea,
As a matter of fact........Cheating is not exactly the right word though. The main course was at her house when you're not there you have to eat somewhere. Anyway. I love women. All women. At least those that think I'm God.
Men are not fickle. They don't change. Women just misinterpret what they say.
TimB
it's a proven fact!!
!
anyway, i thought the dating thing was suppose to get easier when you got older..come on guys..what makes you tick???
I can't speak for all men but I can say that I'm not fickle. ...............................I just want it all!!!!!
Tim
did anyone on the board have a sudden; this is it, its wrong, wrong all wrong moment.
mine was an interesting one.
we, [my husband and i] were having questions and doubts for many years.
My "moment" was while killing time one evening. I must have been very bored 'cause I was looking though a bible atlas (not published by the witnesses) that had been on my shelf for years. The atlas noted that Jeruselem fell to the Babylonians in 587 BCE. I knew that couldn't be right but wondered how they could have gotten it wrong. I found another bible atlas and it said the same thing. Hmmm At that point I decided to take my research to the internet. I intentionally avoided the ex-jw sites and stayed with the archeological experts. I couldn't find anyone who agreed with the JW date. That's when I started looking at the "Apostate" sites and my mind exploded. Within a matter of minutes a lifetime of isolation and brainwashing fell like a house of cards. I decided to show my wife (Xena) what I'd discovered. As soon as I'd finished bringing her up to speed I announced that if they were wrong about this they could be wrong about every thing. I told her that I couldn't be a JW anymore. With almost a sigh of relief she said "OK" and we began making plans for our exit.
TimB
i was just wondering, considering everyone fails god at some point.
Yeah I think they failed god. Since I don't think they had anything to do with god.
i thought this might be a fun "fluff" thread.
someone posted the other day that marc anthony (the singer) is their cousin.
i have done extensive genealogy research so i know a few famous relatives.
The Dalton boys from the Dalton gang (Train Robbers) were first cousins of my great grandmothers which might explain my run-ins with the law. I'm just carryin' on an old family tradition as Bocephus put it.
TimB
you know the saying, you have to earn respect.
has god earned it?
thousands of years of human suffering does it all for me.
It doesn't matter how you define god. Do you respect what you define as god?
I haven't seen anything that actually requires respect unless I make assumptions. IF god made the earth the way it is today then I am grateful but unless I know why he did it how can I have respect for that. It could be that he was trying to create the perfect planet but was distracted by a very sexy god walking by while he was mixing the crucial ingredients.
I would respect god if he particapated. Also I might have had some respect if he'd made women with a little more libido.
TimB
come on, can you really do it?
and is it really necessary?
i don't know about ya'll, but i often feed off my hatred, fear, anger.
You know.....When we talk about forgiveness we have to first talk about blame and judgement. Then we try to determine the gravity of the injury. Personally I think this is and exercise in futility and frustration.
Try to think of the pain some one has caused in the same way you would think of the pain of stubbing your toe on the coffee table. Who is to blame? The person who designed the coffee table? The person who moved the coffee table? The person who planted the tree the the coffee table was made from? The person who didn't replace the bulb in the nightlight? Or of course it could be the fault of the person attached to the toe. It really doesn't matter at all to your future happiness who was to blame or to forgive that person or thing. What matters is that you avoid that pain in the future. Remember the pain you felt in that moment so that it doesn't happen again. Remove the coffee table if you have to. Avoid that pain in the future.
Forgiving and forgetting is just an expression. No one actually expects you to forget anything. What you have to decide is whether you want to continue in a relationship with the person who hurt you or whether you will avoid the pain by avoiding them. If the person who caused you pain is able to convince you that it won't happen again then that might help make that decision. Ultimately, though, your own happiness is your own responsibility. If you choose to be unhappy (angry, sad, frustrated etc) then you really have only yourself to blame. We have to realize that there are people who will hurt us just as we can be fairly certain that we will stub our toe again at some point in the future. Just do your best to heal as quickly as possible and move on to where you were going in the first place.
TimB
