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  Infinity and god - why wait to create the universe?

  by Simon in

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  here's the problem with infinity ... we can't comprehend it.. it's bad enough when it's space, but when it's time as well and then we throw in some all powerful creature supposedly existing forever ... well, it just doesn't make sense and raises questions.. such as why wait?

  why didn't god create the universe the day before he did?

  or the day before that?

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  EP,

  because of the necessary change in status quo of the gravity to start the universe. Either a millisecond or billions of years, there was a status quo before that moment, that got changed. Like you said, it's trivial for math, and a problem for physics. But something that physics presently cannot explain doesn't mean it's an impossibility. See, for example, the recent developments around the "dark matter" - science doesn't understand what holds this matter together, and how its elements interact with each other. Electromagnetism and gravity don't seem to apply. Does it mean it's an impossibility? No. it's just awaiting further research.

  I'll give you an example of impossibility. Are you familiar with the problem of the allmightiness of God?

  It goes like this: If God is all-powerful, then he could create a rock so heavy that even God cannot lift it. However, if God cannot lift it, then he's not all-powerful. But if God cannot creat a rock so heavy that even God cannot lift it, then God isn't all-powerful.

  Now, that's an impossibility. Infinity isn't an imposibility. It's just a problem that presently physics aren't prepared to understand.

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  Infinity and god - why wait to create the universe?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here's the problem with infinity ... we can't comprehend it.. it's bad enough when it's space, but when it's time as well and then we throw in some all powerful creature supposedly existing forever ... well, it just doesn't make sense and raises questions.. such as why wait?

  why didn't god create the universe the day before he did?

  or the day before that?

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  Simon, by simple logic of reasoning, for sure there was a moment before gravity caused the universe and, as you put it, time, to start. Something happened that caused the change of status quo that led to the existence of the universe. It could have taken a fraction of a second; it could have been a lot more. But surely it could have been measured in time. Just because we don't understand infinity, doesn't mean it can't exist. Actually, that is why we developed the formal concept even without grasping what it really means. That's what abstract thinking is - something that humans excel at and make us truly unique.

  Abstract thinking allow us to imagine concepts before they ever become verifiable by science. That's how you can formulate an hypothesis, for example. Some concepts will continue to exist only in the human mind; some will become verifiable, measurable facts. I think infinity is one such thing. Just because we don't undertsand it to the point of the very notion of it is awkward, doesn't mean it can't exist. For the time being it's a sort of chaos whose order we're yet to discern.

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  Wolf, sheep - or sheepdog?

  by Nathan Natas in

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  on sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs - by ltc (ret) dave grossman, author of "on killing.

  honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age.

  it does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost.

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  It was not intended to be a discussion of farm dogs.

  NN just had a Jesus moment: " How is it that you fail to understand that I did not speak about bread?" - Matthew 16:11

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  The antidote to the myth that JWs are declining

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. bible

  one of the most persistent myths on this website is that jws are already in decline, the rot has set in, and the descent of the watchtower is inevitable from here on in.

  unfortunately the facts do not bear this out.

  jws are still increasing even in most developing countries, and they are still growing worldwide at a faster rate than the general population.

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  their primary growth method - having children .

  But that brings up another issue. The rate of retention of those children within the org. I suspect it's sharply decreasing.

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  Brilliant video catches Governing Body red-handed ignoring their own "name-calling" warnings

  by cedars in

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  here it is.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4sednn9nli.

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  cedars.

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  ADCMS,

  make accusations against opposers/apostates but never discuss what the real issues are.

  And beware, because if you happen to raise the issue by asking: "You know, they make acusations upon apostates, but they never actually say what kind of issues the apostates are talking about". You will be marked for a 'friendly' shepherding call, and will ke kept under close watch from then on.

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  Faithfull Slave Teaching Leaves something out!

  by DeWandelaar in

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  for years the so-called faithfull slave has brainwashed us with their doctrine.

  number 6 the possessions?

  according to the text only the servants are being inspected!

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  To me the household represents Christianity as a whole - all religions and organizations who claim to be disciples of Christ. They are, collectively, the Lord's "household" where each individual slave serves.

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  If SOCIETY was the ANIMAL WORLD, what animals you'd see there?

  by EdenOne in

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  i'm thinking of pink floyd's album "animals", where roger waters divided the world in three categories: sheep, dogs and pigs.

  in a certain sense, brings back reminiscences of george orwell's "animal farm".. but as you look at today's society at large, if this was the animal kingdom, what animals would you see there and why?.

  i'll begin with:.

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  EdenOne

  lol...I was more thinking of the society in general.

  And WHY the choice

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  If SOCIETY was the ANIMAL WORLD, what animals you'd see there?

  by EdenOne in

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  i'm thinking of pink floyd's album "animals", where roger waters divided the world in three categories: sheep, dogs and pigs.

  in a certain sense, brings back reminiscences of george orwell's "animal farm".. but as you look at today's society at large, if this was the animal kingdom, what animals would you see there and why?.

  i'll begin with:.

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  EdenOne

  I'm thinking of Pink Floyd's album "Animals", where Roger Waters divided the world in three categories: Sheep, Dogs and Pigs. In a certain sense, brings back reminiscences of George Orwell's "Animal Farm".

  But as you look at today's society at large, if this was the animal kingdom, what animals would you see there and why?

  I'll begin with:

  SHEEP = The innocent people who want no harm, mean no harm, try to live in peace and believe the best about others and are easy prey for preyers.

  That's easy enough. What other animals you see and why?

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  DATING THE BOOK OF REVELATION - new article

  by EdenOne in

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  2. bible

  just published another article on my website.

  i promised i would make a more complete study on dating the book of revelation.

  as a result i published the article: dating revelation - solely with internal evidence from the new testament.

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  Vidiot, your mind is always on the gutter

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  Big Revolt Among CO, DO, Bethelites, and Branch Servant Likely

  by frankiespeakin in

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  as the information age is apon us and it doesn't take that much information to easily prove this new light by the governing body granting them absolute loyalty and power is a blatant power grab by a bunch of over the hill ego maniacs i see a revolt in the making..

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  I'm still hoping for a reform that will wash away the old oligarchy and their praetorian guard ... one that will bring an acknowlegement of past mistakes, corrects whacky doctrines, softens the stance on shunning, and humbly apologizes and begs for forgiveness before God and Christ. It's a lot to ask, I know ... perhaps too much to ask, by now.

  Eden