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Disagreements between elders

by Gadget in

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there seems to be a lot of local differences between what witnesses are allowed to do and what they aren't.

i'm in a situation where elders in one area are incouraging a course of action, and elders in another area are totally against it, saying it is a disfellowshipping offence.

anybody been in a situation where elders disagreed like this?

I can't think of any one thing in particular but I do remember some congregations being more lenient in some things than other congregations. But never in anything that was considered a DFing offense. It was usually "gray areas" or conscience matters. Which, when you think about it, is silly. If it's a conscience matter, then shouldn't each individual make that decision based on their own conscience?

I have seen bodies of elders(in a single congregation) break off into seperate factions because they don't agree on something. It usually was due to one elder and cronies being very conservative while another elder and his cronies were more liberal minded. I remember one elder had a thing about long hair. I don't mean pony-tail long, but touching your ears/collar long. Other elders thought it was being rigtheous over much and nit-picky, but this one elder and his entourage of ass-kissers went around giving all the young brothers hell about their hair and grooming. The young brothers would run to the other elders who told em to not worry about it. Well, that lead to disagreements on the elder body, which brought out even more resentments lying under the surface, which in turn spread throughout the congregation, causing major problems as time went on. All because people just can't mind their own damn business(1Thess. 4:11)

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"Library Card" Defense refuted

by hooberus in

watchtower 1976 10/15 632-6. .

the "mark" of the beast would identify the one having it as belonging to that "wild beast," giving it full support.

ellicott's bible commentary notes that the mark 'surely means the acquiescence to the principals of this tyrannical world-power.'.

undercover

Here's how I look at the UN affiliation as hypocritical and damning to the WTS:

The average JW cannot, without penalty(DFing), join the YMCA or YWCA. If I, as a JW, decided to join the YMCA, not for so-called Christian fellowship, but for the sole purpose of using the gym facilities, because they are the best in my area, I would be disfellowshipped for having joined together with Babylon the Great. A true Christian(JW) cannot and would not do this. There is no room for discussion; quit, repent or be disfellowshipped.

The WTS joined the UN as an NGO. Not to fellowship with other NGOs or help do what it is NGOs do, but to use the library(their story). Whether it's to use the library or not, they have linked themselves with the Wild Beast. They have allowed themselves to become entangled with the world's politics. When pointed out to them(found out by press and others), they quietly quit and gave the library card excuse. No repentance was shown for their sin. They have condemned themselves not only by becoming an NGO, but by quietly, lyingly, excusing their actions as a sincere attempt to gain access to a library without any remorse or chagrin.

That's how I refute their excuse. If the avgerage JW can't use that excuse, then how can the WTS?

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When the governing body die off, then what happens ??? Another "new class"

by run dont walk in

i am presumming that all of the governing body are of the "annoited class" and up there in age.. so what happens when they can no longer look after things, which should be soon, there are no other annoited really to take over.

and 10 years from now all the supposed "annoited ones" will be gone.. whta will become of the governing body ??????.

the watchtower must be a bit worried.. will there be "new light" and make up a new body ?????

undercover

16 Some may have concluded that they have the heavenly calling because they have acquired considerable Bible knowledge. But spirit anointing does not bring extraordinary understanding, for Paul had to instruct and counsel certain anointed ones. (1 Corinthians 3:1-3; Hebrews 5:11-14) God has an arrangement for providing spiritual food for all his people. (Matthew 24:45-47) So nobody should think that being an anointed Christian gives him wisdom superior to that of those having the earthly hope. Spirit anointing is not indicated by proficiency in answering Scriptural questions, witnessing, or giving Bible talks. Christians with the earthly hope also do well in these respects.

ummm, I thought that the anointed remnant made up the faithful and discreet slave class? According to WTS doctrine, it's the FDS that imparts knowledge and understanding of scripture to the great crowd. This article states othewise. This places the Governing Body as the only source of knowledge. This goes against all that has been taught for decades.

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When the governing body die off, then what happens ??? Another "new class"

by run dont walk in

i am presumming that all of the governing body are of the "annoited class" and up there in age.. so what happens when they can no longer look after things, which should be soon, there are no other annoited really to take over.

and 10 years from now all the supposed "annoited ones" will be gone.. whta will become of the governing body ??????.

the watchtower must be a bit worried.. will there be "new light" and make up a new body ?????

undercover

If I remember correctly the number of partakers at the memorial actually went up the last couple of years. Has anyone seen the numbers for this past memorial? I wonder what the number was?

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Has anyone seen the article, Young People Ask., Do I need a mobile phone?

by laylaluv in

has anyone seen the article, young people ask........do i need a mobile phone?

this is on the home page of the society.

jesus stated the wise principle that one should "calculate the expense" before undertaking an important project.

undercover

It's funny, that when I clicked on this thread, the ads at the top of the page were for cell phones. LOL.

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WT Books Going Missing

by ignored_one in

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i recently visited my local library looking for books on jws.

checking the computer system i found that pretty much all the 'anti' books had been marked as 'lost'.

lost?

undercover

Maybe it's dubs who steal them to read them and confirm doubts or fears. They do this so as not to have a record of having checked out an anti-witness book. Just a possibility.

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Do You See In Yourself Continuing Jehovah's Witness Traits?

by minimus in

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for all of those either out or on their way to the freedom exit door, do you still see traces of your old jw self that rears its ugly head?

undercover

I guess it depends on the traits. Traits like honesty, being of good moral charachter, etc has not left. Not that those traits are exclusive to JWs.

But other little things are still with me that are pretty much exclusive to JWs. I haven't been able to say "Happy birthday" yet. I know that the JWs can't prove their anti-birthday policy biblically, but for my whole life I have never been able to say it or wish it or believe it. Now that I can, I still find myself hesitant to do it. I tend to shy away from political discussions, just as I did when I was an active JW. I have opinions now that I didn't have before, but I keep them to myself for the most part. So some things are still with me. I'm sure time will help fade these traits from my conscienceness.

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Do the Elders know about this?

by meadow77 in

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friends

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what kind of an example are we setting for young witness girls regarding modesty?

i personally think she looks nice, although maybe she should try for some darker colors; but because of her jw affiliation, it justs makes one stagger at the double standards.

undercover

What double standards? O.k., smartasses what do you suppose the Society should do?

While I don't really have a problem with the "double standards" or perception thereof regarding the Williams sisters, I was surprised at the crude language used by Brother Jah. Jehovah's people are careful to not use foul language and euphamisms common to worldly people. Methinks your useful habits are becoming spoiled by associating with us.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-20-03 WT Study

by blondie in

17but you will not even need to fight.

revelation 14:1, 3 (snippet).

(revelation 7:9 snippet).

undercover

They're hedging their bets. Remember a few months ago when people were wondering if the UN would survive The US and Britain's charge to war? By changing the language and thought as in this article, the WTS is covering their tracks in case the UN plays a less significant role in the world. On the other hand, if the UN survives and remains strong, or gets stronger, the WTS of course will reference back to the older articles and say, "We told you so".

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How would you respond?

by unbeliever in

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friends

i just got this from an active jw friend who i have not seen in 3 years and rarely talk too via e-mail.

keep in mind i was never dunked and left almost 7 years ago.

the elders went and saw my df'd sister last week after 10+ years.

undercover

You have the right to choose what you want to be but when you left we stayed on friendly terms. I need to know if your an opposer.

See the contradiction here? You have the right to choose. You stayed on friendly terms. Now she wants to know if you are an opposer. She said it herself, you have the right to choose. Why does that have to make a difference in anything. It hasn't up till now.