brother lett was giving the last talk of the day about what they supposedly accomplished in 100 years.
i was just waking up so im paraphrasing alittle(i was dosing off all day) anyways in his introduction he said.
"there is more evidence to prove gods kingdom on the earth is a reality than wind,electricity and gravity is a reality on the earth".
Gravity ? Was there a pre-gravity age ? Do they know what
gravity is ? Electricity ? What ? As in light bulbs?
Wind ? Who IS this guy ? Got to be one of the magical
Governing Body speaking ? How could you not burst out
laughing ? I would be rolling on the floor they would
have to carry me out.
how long will it be before witnesses start getting jewellery made up with jw.org as the pendant?.
can you imagine a nice gold neck chain, with a diamond jw.org hanging from it?.
or a small ring with the logo on it?.
Making a symbol of any kind and associating it with
God is .......???? Isn't that idolatry of some sort ?
and if the Org means the religion, isn't that worshipping
an organization? No matter how loudly jws will deny this.
disgusted by waves of scandal, irelands catholics are boycotting mass and .
turning their backs on the church.
http://theweek.com/article/index/263824/everything-you-need-to-know-about-irelands-disaffected-catholics.
westiebilly11 - Pretty much sums it up - Elders are a boys club -
"information control" -Aproclaimer. Denial required.
Needing to be in a closed group with tight rules and feeling
"superior" and "protected" is what draws people, its all about
the "organization" Jesus is a footnote, way down,
and the idea they are "special" by using the name Jehovah.
Its not about "truth" at all. Its the opposite of truth
seeking and the opposite of Christainity. It may morph into
some even stranger form, but cults survive for some need
to be in the delusion.
to all bodies of elders.
re: notification of disfellowshipping or disassociation.
dear brothers:.
Exactly as ADCMS says. They demand obedience and blame
you if you obey and claim their instructions had nothing to
do with them at all. But if you don't obey you are marked, shunned
and called an apostate. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
the spanish branch office sent a letter to all congregations in spain explaining the governing body's decision to stop all printing, storing and shipping of literature in spain.
the spanish government recently ruled that all bethalites are entitled to a pension after having worked at bethel for many years.
the ruling of the government sent the governing body scrambling.
They steal from the poor, instead of helping the poor as Jesus instructed
his followers to do. They put burdens on people's backs and not willing
to lift them, they take labor and give no wages, which is against the
Law of Moses. They are violating every principle in the Bible.
and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.
that is all carl wanted.
yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.
he simply wanted to stay with the JW Organization by bcj2012
So (in under 8 million words), in comes down to: men like teams?
and organizations? and power structures? and politics, and political
parties? and governing and controlling others ? Who knew.
Ray Franz was just a man, and his deepest regret was not having had
a simple normal life and the fact he never had children. May be he
was no saint. Who among us is ? Are you? He did help thousands of
people, whether that was his intent or not. He wrote in such a way
I could hear him, and so could hundreds of thousands who escaped
this "organization". This "organization" that is worshipped even
by the men here on this forum. Its their "home team" their
Political Party, their flag, their "nation" as you put it.
Its brand loyalty. Its not worship of God or "seeking truth" its
all those other things, like joining the Army, or cheering
for your favorite football team, its what guys do.
The "organization" the very word sends a thrill up the backs
of these elders, the "Governing Body" is mentioned and they
go down on one knee, the "faithful and discreet
slave" and they are taking off their hats and bowing their heads.
"The Society" as if they "belong", and are part of something big,
something important. They are "Heiling" and "goose-stepping" to
whatever tune the Frurer, Watchtower Plays. Ray Franz did have
courage, and integrity and he saw the enemy and it was us,
the collective, the blind leading the blind.
i've reached out and contacted a few of my past friends.
some are still cool as ice, while others have taken on a "i'm better than you" type of attitude.
the first question is usually about becoming a servant, pioneering, or some other facet of service.
This is a women ( think subjection ) Her father is her "Head"
then her husband will be her "Head" She therefore doesn't
need to use her own head at all. The girl is supposed to
live at home till she is married, that is the WT thinking.
They think the family should operate like its 500 BC.
i've heard some view points that state, atheists are generally more moral & caring for fellow humans, than are theists.. i'd like to hear some personal stories of life changes and quality of life after you became atheist.
i have a simple theory that may explain this.. i'll explain my theory if you'd like, after a few responses, as i really am interested in the personal changes that you experienced.. thank you very much, and i look forward to your stories..
What a bunch of hogwash.
China is an atheist country.
They take 6,000 or more of their own people
out every year and put a bullet through their head
and thats for minor rule breaking and not agreeing
with the atheist Communist Party. They take millions
of people out of villages and put them in factories
where they have to live in the factory and do not
get to go home. They eat, sleep and live in filthy miserable
conditions so a select few Communist atheists get to become
milllionaires and billionaire and we get to wear cheap
shoes and have ipods. China is atheism at work, at its finest.
No free schools. No health care, no disability insurance,
no pensions for the elderly. Atheism as a social system
right before your eyes. Go there and take a look, but don't
ask too many questions or you will disappear in the middle of the night.
hey guys, there's another thing i wanted to share with you.
i know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it.
we're going to the district convention this weekend.
What country are you IN ?? why do you have to go ??
bibl3thumper has posted a youtube of the celebrations that took place for german delegates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvs6_q7rqps&feature=em-subs_digest.
it's hard to believe that they are now using the kingdom hall to sing pop songs and for dancing.
They better do somthing, because they stopped music
and instruments years ago, and now they must be realizing
how dull and depressing their meetings really are. Every
evangelical church has a "Music Team" and every Sunday is
like a rock concert at the big evangelical churches. Next they
need to add coffee and donuts on Sunday and midweek lunches to catch
up to the other churches. Who knows they may even actually
give things to poor people, like a normal main stream church.
Then Sunday school for the kids and summer camps ?
They may even decide to include the name Jesus in their talks.
Naaah thats going too far.
