the question, "why are you here?
" is simple enough, and your answer may be straightforward.
however, when i asked that of myself, i find that my answer is pretty complicated.
kes152,
So is your message directly from Jesus?
Are you giving it to us word for word or just paraphasing?
And do you claim as Shelby does that Jesus died not just for mankind to get save but also for plants and animals too, to get saved if they like man exersise faith and do what God tells them?
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
an interesting scripture reminds us to be careful of those that question every good thing that the f&ds does:.
titus 1:10-16 .
"10 for there are many unruly men, profitless talkers, and deceivers of the mind, especially those men who adhere to the circumcision.
Em bare ass ment
elder surfing net for evidence on YK)
Brother I'd like to show you something else I found that speaks for itself, this is from a thread started by Tallyman cocerning YK.
*You'll notice the botched job and laser burns from trying
to remove all those Dates!YK hasn't decided on a new tatt yet, plus he's fast running out of room.
I think you brothers agree that the post You Know makes about when the end is going to come has opened up the Society to more reproach. I say this very carefully but You Know predictions highlight the Society's (how can I say this and not get myself in trouble), well, less than perfect reputation for making predictions that come true.
You Know make us all look like a bunch of pots with cracks.
lets play a game!.
let make beleive that this post is headed by elders from you know congregation, and they have heard rumors about you know apostasy, but before they can get a committee together the need solid facts that you know is truly an apostate.. the poster can play either the part of elders who are investigating, or that of a loyal jws bringing facts to the elders attention about this matter.. i think this could be fun, or i maybe totally wrong and nobody wants to play this game.. we might even get enough facts together to form a committee and disfellowship him (in our game).
i'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean i beleive it.
(elder surfing net for evidence on YK)
Brother I'd like to show you something else I found that speaks for itself, this is from a thread started by Tallyman cocerning YK.
*I think you brothers agree that the post You Know makes about when the end is going to come has opened up the Society to more reproach. I say this very carefully but You Know predictions highlight the Society's (how can I say this and not get myself in trouble), well, less than perfect reputation for making predictions that come true.You'll notice the botched job and laser burns from trying
to remove all those Dates!YK hasn't decided on a new tatt yet, plus he's fast running out of room.
with all the problems in the 'truth' and all the things that we know are wrong with it there seems to be aspects of their theology (i.e the sequences of the world powers, statue in daniel, the promise of world restoration again found in daniel) that to me still make sense.
although i cannot follow a religion that believes in the destruction of all humanity barring those that respond to their own preaching work i still believe in a creator and cannot accept the teachings of other religions that have no purpose for the earth and believe that mankinds only destiny is in heaven.
my mind keeps telling me that if god was behind a religion it would be so much better than that of the jws.
kes152,
Shelby said that all Christ died for all the plants and animals too, and not just man, and she said that her Lord told her that directly.
Your her freind, has Your lord told you the same thing?
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
if jw's can be(or should i say are) df'd for smoking, why aren't people df'd for obesity.. it seems they say that you are violating your body and hurting it from smoking but i've never seen a person live over the age of 80 that was obese.
just seems like being obese is worse than smoking.
I'don't have any hard facts I can't even vouch validity but I was told by othe Bethelites this:
There was a Bethelite backint the 60s or 70s that was a glutton and they used entrapment to DF him.
What they did is just keep brining more and more food to his table until they could clearly bring the charge of gluttony against him and DF him.
Only hear say of coarse.
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
the question has always been, primarily: is jehovah really god?
secondarily, the question has been: are jehovahs witnesses really jehovahs witnesses?
or, perhaps worded differently: is the watchtower really the voice of christs appointed faithful and discreet slave of prophecy?
You Know,
You sound like a drowning man who is grasping at staw to keep him from drowning. A man who is so desperate, even though he Knows that straw won't save him from drowning will grasp at it anyway, because that all he's got, what the heck.
Your arguement that you post here sound that desperate, don't you think?
You make such a feable attempt at defending the WT. Twisting and bending Scripture to no end and for what?
What are you really trying to accomplish here?
You Know be honest with yourself first, the WT is in trouble because their sins have piled up to the heavens, they are just get a taste of their own medicine, it's just a case of "what goes around comes around" and You Know it.
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
what do you get if you cross a jehovah's witness with an agnostic?
someone who calls at your door, but doesn't really know why.
feel free to add others!
Mommy Dark,
I heard a slighy different version of that, only it was a glass of beer, and the last one was a Bethelite.
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
miracle condoms!
(see free sample on back page of awake!
magazine).
Philo,
I think these condoms will be selling(donation basis) like hot cakes.
Brothers will beating off at the Society's door for them.
I heard of a brother that was using them before they came avalible for general use and he had a daughter in the process, he named her Leaky.
CO's and DO's love them.
It is the brain child of the late Karl Kline, but I hear it only got passed by a 2/3 GB vote. It seems they had to cum up with a size small enough for a tight fit for all the emasculated men that do the Society's DF'n.
At the Distric convention when it was first released all the brothers were so apreciative that the FDS was providing food at the proper time. They even had some demostrations on how to use the new condom, that were received quite well by the brothers.
At are convention they ran out, they had to limit it to 3 for the brothers and 2 for the sisters, of coarse they ask the brothers not to send their minor children to pick them up and only one member of the family was allowed to get them to be fair.
One brother was so happy he broke down and cried.
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
well my friend, after a second attempt to reach out to me and give me the decision last night i received an unexpected visit from two of the local elders.
apparently the two wts agents decided to pass the torch to the local elders this time.
this was organized by the co along with wts instructions.
exodus,
Embrace your freedom because it is oh soooooooooo good!
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
well - my father (he's an elder) asked me if he could watch my daughter saturday night and i could pick her up sunday at the meeting or he would drop her off at my house.
well, they have offered to watch her overnight plenty of times, but he has never offered to drop her off at my house on a sunday!
the clincher - he said he would normally watch her tonight since it's a friday, but he has an elders meeting.
Mrmoe,
Try not to let your imagination ruin your well being, I wouldn't worry as yet it does't seem to be any thing that the elders are planning to do against you so stay calm, and don't let your imagination get the best of you.
It could possible be that your father is not the loyal JW you think he is, and he may not be turning you in.
I used to know a lot of elders like that, that is, they would rather try to help their own families by themselves and not subject them to a full blown JC, if they help it.
It could be your father knows a JC wouldn't help you at this time and may not wish their help.
Sit tight and don't let fear rob you of peace of mind.
Been in your shoes, and I know how we can get paranoid real quick.
Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!
