Justin, Rutherford also taught,excuse me, the faithfulofit and undiscreet slave taught that "Christ Jesus is the Mediator between man and God to bring man into reconciliation with God. The new creature in Christ is not under,nor the offspring of,any covenant that is mediated by Christ Jesus" ....Reconciliation pg.222 1928
As we know his successors later made a 180 degree turnaround and that's the truth ...89W 8/15 pg.30,31
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If Russell Were Alive Today He'd Be DF'd For
by Dutchie ini was just thinking that if charles taze russell were alive today he wouldn't even recognize the religion he started.
in fact, many of the things he did are now disfellowshippable offenses.
for instance, he had a christmas tree in the bethel home and he wore a beard.
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America Will Execute Brit Today.
by Englishman inhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1867000/1867916.stm .
englishman.
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I believe Romans 13:1-4 says it all. I have a younger brother on death row in San Quentin the past 11 years. Murdered a girl in broad daylight at a photo booth in a parking lot,tortured her and to top it off, brought my 2 year old nephew with him when he did it.Got caught 2 years after the murder when the murder was aired on Americas Most Wanted program.A girl friend in Texas where he was hiding turned him in for the reward. High profile trial in Santa Clara County Ca back in 91'.He was raised a witness but never baptized. Tried to murder both our parents prior as well as raped both my little sisters.I'm all for letting the "Superior Authorities" do their job.
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Watchtower 2/01/02 Study article#1 Was he there?
by wokeup intodays' study article stated in paragraph 6 "harmonizing the gospel accounts indicates that only after this traitor was gone did jesus institute the memorial of his death.
" paragraph 2 cited the 3 gospel accounts including luke 21:19,20 but conviently excluded verse 21 why?
because immediately after mentioning the loaf and wine jesus stated "but look!
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Todays' study article stated in paragraph 6 "Harmonizing the Gospel accounts indicates that only after this traitor was gone did Jesus institute the Memorial of his death." Paragraph 2 cited the 3 gospel accounts including Luke 21:19,20 but conviently excluded verse 21 Why? Because immediately after mentioning the loaf and wine Jesus stated "But look! the hand of my betrayer is WITH ME at the table."
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society cutting costs?!
by greven ini was wondering if you noticed the society cutting costs.. for example : the books are now printed on cheaper paper and have a soft cover.
also subscriptions are no longer mailed by post but will be brought to you by publishers (cutting cost and upping field service!
to flies in one!).
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Ozzie, a recent internal survey at the local KH by the literature servant showed an average of 19 cents per item donated by the congregation over the past 5 years.This included the WT cd libraries and other 'high'dollar items. Seems to me if this is any kind of ind
icator,headquarters is not happy.This is in the southern USA.Allen
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WT quoting things
by badboy ini notice that the wt does a lot of quoting from various sources eg.
for their creation/ecolution and their magazines.. do they ever check whether their sources of information are reliable?.
what does all this quoting `prove', when i can do selective quoting that `proves' fairies exist, give me various books about fairies and i could cut and paste to `prove' fairies exist
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The Society has for years been using anonymous quotes such as "one bible commentator states" or "one well known...
" to give weight to the arguement. When they do actually use a persons' name it's often someone who's been dead for a 150 years.
They are also great at directly quoting from works no longer in circulation from the 19th century but fail to date the material(see the book:Isaiah's Prophecy vol.1 pg. 17,19) Makes it virtually impossible for a sincere "bible student" to verify the validity of the material. To 'make sure of all things'.
I find it pretty pathetic that the WBTS uses quotes to support their arguements from the very establishments they love to vilify, and just as absurd, is when they quote from themselves!
Just my thoughts on the matter.Allen
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Recent JW Question
by Uboat_Ninja inseeing as i have'nt been to a kingdom hall since at least 3 years ago's memorial, can anyone explain a couple things to me.. 1. i always was under the impression that the wts interpreted the bible as to say that before the generation that saw 1914 pass away, the end will come.
am i crazy?.
2. i heard they've shy'd away from this in the last few years, true?.
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Uboat,according to the Divine Purpose publication, published in 1959 These are the stated memorial partakers between 1938-58
1938: 36,732
1939: 29,385
1940: 27,620
1941: 23,989
1942: 24,035
1943: 23,577
1944: 22,684
1945: 22,324
1946: 27,587
1947: 26,449
1948; 25,395
1949: 24,312
1950: 22,723
1951: 21,619
1952: 20,221
1953: 19,108
1954: 17,884
1955: 16,815
1956: 16,302
1957: 15,628
1958: 15,037
Hope you find this useful. I found it interesting there was over a 5263 increase postWW2 in those claiming to be "annointed".Following that there was a loss of several hundred a year. The number of partakers dropping in half in less than 20 years. Now they have practically quit dying for the last 2 decades.Allen
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For Those Recently DA'd
by hillary_step ini feel quite sure that the harangued and harassed souls on this board who this week were being mercilessly hounded by the gb in their cowardly guise as appointed elders looking for da signatures on pieces of paper, take great comfort in the following statements in the december 15th 2001 wt.
these da, letters of course are a requirement from god and have nothing to do with the solidification of any pharisaical legal position.. 11. from a study of biblical and secular evidence, we can conclude that the pharisees thought highly of themselves as guardians of the public good and the national welfare.
they were not satisfied that gods law was fundamentally clear and easily understood.
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When I read paragraphs 11,12 and 16 I at first got the impression that the writing dept. was encouraging some type of reform without admitting their attitude and manmade rules are the problem. The end of paragraph 12 sums it up "self-righteous,faultfinding,judgemental and demeaning. Paragraph 16 "always looking for and highlighting the flaws in others(denominations)" The leadership are experts in this,undoubtedly they can't see the rafter in their own eye.
By not using modern day specifics within the congregations, but rather making broad generalities referring to the Pharisees and putting the blame on the elder bodies tells me the leadership continues their policy of denial(that they are the root of the problem). Won't see any apologies soon.
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Internet Service Providers knowing....
by BritBoy innot one for living in fear of "big brother" i was astounded to hear a young lady at aol ask me to verify some details and then procede to mention the site i last visited!.
the problem arose when i needed to update my billing info.
she asked all the usual questions and then when it got to the last 4 digits of my credit card... she said i did not have the right numbers... then it hit me, my card had expired and i was now using the new one with the new number across the front.
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That reminds me of an incident about a year and a half ago when I first got online I signed up for a free trial at Mcafee.com for hacker protection and recieved an E-mail from a man that said he was a concerned JW that had a job that allowed him to know what sites I visited and knew I had been visiting apostate sites and that he could help me if I had doubts or questions about the WBTS and would "keep an eye on me." I sent a complaint to Mcafee that day mentioning his name and that he was going to do this. I never heard back from him or the Co.
I had a surprise visit a week later from 2 elders to warn me of the "dangers of the internet and the temptation to begin independant thinking,Satan Adam and Eve did it and look where it got them?" I asked them when did they get the ability to began policing my mind.That shut 'em up.They also had computers with internet service(3 out of 7 elders did) I was the first MS to go online.(small southern town)...Coincidence? Not long after that I stepped down as MS.