Posts by worf

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Is the Tower of fear and deception really starting to crumble ?

by Homerovah the Almighty in

there has been some dramatic changes going on recently with the jws as everyone knows , i can only speculate this is due to the once well hidden secrets.

that have been hidden so well from the eyes of the faithful followers, the overwhelming information on the inter-net may be the cause of this.. perhaps the power and arrogance that the gb held for so many years is indeed starting to weaken.. i'm actually seeing the faith weakening within my own family members that have been involved with the organization for decades.. they do seem to be down sizing a lot in their operations, wouldn't it be surprisingly ironic if " the truth " was the thing that really was to bring down their structured lies.. well we can only wish, right !

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worf

WT Wizard: Definitely true about your comment on initiatory force.

Homerovah the Almighty: There is no doubt that they are positioning themselves to take the money and run.

Most of the older so-called "leaders", GB and others have died or are dying off. These younger ones up in there in the legal dept and the other upper echelon sections of the borg want their piece of the pie, so they can continue to live the easy life after the belief system crumbles entirely to dust. They know the borg is a sham and that they will not be able to continue to promote this scam pseudo-religion forever. The selling off of all the property all of a sudden in these last couple of years, and the continual selling is proof of that. Someone here even posted a few weeks ago that now all of the WT property in Brooklyn is now up for sale and that investors were being invited to look at the various pieces of property.

Its a bullshit pseudo-religion, the biggest scam ever on this planet, and the so-called leaders know it, as they have always known it. They have been riding it and now its on its last broken legs.

Do not be surprised at a "kool-aid" situation that occurs in which many lives within the borg suddenly end and the evil slavemasters in Brooklyn and Patterson try to get away with it. For those of you who are still in, keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. And if you attend future memorials, you'd better be careful about putting any of those so-called emblems into your mouth.

Remember Jim Jones and what happened to his cult in 1979.

Worf

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Is the GB crooked or just misguided?

by easyreader1970 in

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friends

i ask myself this from time to time.

is the governing body operating seriously out of the belief that they are god's only channel to mankind?

or are they deliberately scamming people?

worf

Crooked.

Worf

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A Major Announcement next weekend

by JWRESEARCH in

a huge announcement will be made in the end of watchtower study next weekend.

we may post here the main issue soon.

worf

Interesting. I'm sure its true. Wt is desperate to try anything they think will keep the jdumbs under control.

But now the elders, and some ministerial servants, will have more things to prepare for , for one night of multiple meetings.

In congs where there are few elders and/or ms, one person might have 3 parts to prepare for: Conduct the book study, a talk in the TMS, and a part on the SM. This new arrangement will mean they have to do more juggling of responsibilities. The lazy elders, of whom there are plenty inthe borg, will probably try to get out of conducting the book study whenever they can, even though its only for about 30 min, thus putting more pressure on the others to handle the different parts on this 3 meeting night.

There will be problems.

Evil organizations always have problems, even though camouflaged.

Worf

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What Careers, Opportunities Did you Have to Sacrifice - to be a Witness ?

by flipper in

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friends

i know this may be an annoying subject .

but if you did have to give up doing what you wanted in a career or opportunity - what was it ?

how controlling was the organization over you, and were you counseled by elders or higher ups to not pursue certain jobs, opportunities, college , etc - so that you stayed in the witnesses for awhile ; not doing what you wanted?

worf

AaG,

Yeah. I am glad I didn't end up bringing another potential "Borg" member into the world.

Worf

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What Careers, Opportunities Did you Have to Sacrifice - to be a Witness ?

by flipper in

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friends

i know this may be an annoying subject .

but if you did have to give up doing what you wanted in a career or opportunity - what was it ?

how controlling was the organization over you, and were you counseled by elders or higher ups to not pursue certain jobs, opportunities, college , etc - so that you stayed in the witnesses for awhile ; not doing what you wanted?

worf

The main thing I gave up was college. I've always loved science: Astronomy and Physics especially. I should have ended up being a scientist. But I'm working on that now in college. My goal is to teach science. And I am working on having a business of my own based on science. My high school teachers told me I to go to college.They said they "expected big things" from me. I wish I had listened to them. Oh well, its never too late.

I also gave up a very good paying job installing alarms because at the interview I learned I would have had to carry a pistol. They wanted to hire me on the spot after just a ten minute interview. I really wanted that job and almost accepted it. When the interviewer asked me why I was turning it down and I explained that being a JW, I could'nt carry a gun, he could not understand it.He could not believe I was turning down such a good position for that reason. He even told me to call him if I changed my mind, the job would be mine. That was in 1979.

There were other employment opportunities I didn't even pursue over the years because they would have conflicted with "meeting times". HAH!

Did not have children. (The infamous 1988 "Responsible Childbearing In This Time Of The End" talk) Although I am glad I did not have children with the jw wife I had. Glad we are ex's.

Worf

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It crept up on me, and took me by surprise!

by AK - Jeff in

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life!

i have begun to live it - instead of waiting on the 'real life' we had been promised as jw's.

it started 4 years ago - but it moved slowly past the weeks and months of 'research', trying to find where i fit, then into an understanding that i didn't - at least not conventionally, fit anywhere, religiously speaking.

worf

Zeroday,

I hear you. Realizing that the whole god/jehovah concept is bullshit is what really liberated me also.

Worf

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What do we have to do to get Gods' Attention

by LouBelle in

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friends

this is *if* you believe in god / a god / gods.

there are moments when i sit down and have a conversation, almost with myself, because even though i am looking up at the heavens/searching my soul, there is no answer, no supernatural feeling, it is quiet and still, but i speak the words just in case there is something listening.. if there is a god and he is all that he claims to be through all the religions on this earth, why doesn't he rule us as a god should?

why doesn't he come on down and sort out this world?

worf

Burn The Ships,

Your comments have no place or proof in reality. They are weak and based on things that you cannot prove.

Worf

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Was I alone in my thinking about the year 1994?

by JimmyPage in

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at one time the society taught that the generation of 1914 would see the end of this world.

since the society always used the bible to explain itself i did the same.

i thought, well the bible says our years are 70 or 80, if we have special mightiness.

worf

You were not alone in your thinking. I was born into the borg and read and heard such predictions all my life.

In fact here are a couple more of their predictions in print: WT 1/1/89 page 12: "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century."

My comment on the above is that all of us know that the society also always pointed out that when the preaching work would end, that would signal the "end" of this system and armageddon would begin. Well, not only has their so-called missionary activity continued past the 20th century, but the "end" has also not come.

Here is another one: WT DEC 1, 1968 page 715: " It is not reasonable to expect that present favorable conditions for preaching the good news will continue indefinitely. Besides, did not Jesus say that this generation will not pass away until all things are fulfilled? A generation, according to Psalm 90:10, is from seventy to eighty years. The generation that witnessed the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 does not have many more years left. "

As has been pointed out, 1914 + 80 = 1994. And that article was written in 1968.

And here is another prediction that indicates 1999 as the latest date that this system could last from the WT publication" The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah-How? from 1971 on page 216: " Shortly, within our twentieth century, the 'battle in the day of Jehovah' will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."

To have all of these false predictions in a concise collection, you can order the publication: "The End Is Near" - A Comprehensive Compilation Of Watchtower Dates from Randy's site.

Good thread.

Worf

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What do we have to do to get Gods' Attention

by LouBelle in

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friends

this is *if* you believe in god / a god / gods.

there are moments when i sit down and have a conversation, almost with myself, because even though i am looking up at the heavens/searching my soul, there is no answer, no supernatural feeling, it is quiet and still, but i speak the words just in case there is something listening.. if there is a god and he is all that he claims to be through all the religions on this earth, why doesn't he rule us as a god should?

why doesn't he come on down and sort out this world?

worf

Lou Belle,

Interesting thoughts.

If a father here on this earth allows his family,or children to suffer health problems, hunger, financial problems, fighting among themselves, without doing something about it, he is looked at as being negligent. And sometimes is charged legally with the possibility of being imprisoned.

According to the conditions under which many people on this earth live, and without any intervention from God, "God" (if a person believes in God), is acting in the same negligent way as a negligent earthly father.

"God" has never intervened to stop any war, disease, depression, recession, epidemic, hunger, lack of clean water in certain countries, the Crusades, the Childrens Crusade, WW1, WW2, The Black Plague, The Influenza of 1918-1919, earthquake, tornado, hurricaine, etc. etc. etc.

Billions of humans have died in these events and "God" never did one thing to intervene even though "God" supposedly has the power to do so.

The answer is as you concluded: There is no "God".

Worf

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Bottom Line: What's Going To Happen To The Jehovah's Witness Religion?

by minimus in

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is it going to become mainstream?.

will it become more cultish?.

will it splinter off and re-create itself?.

worf

Alpaca,

Every word in your comment on this thread is the same as my thoughts. And especially your comment about the "literal kool-aid".

My siblings and I talk about that all the time, and I believe such a situation is bound to happen. We are concerned for our mother who is still "in" physically, only because of her living situation with one of my sisters, who is still a dub, but my mother is "out" mentally. Those of us in my family who are "out" feel that in the future we might have to get my mom out of her living situation in order to avoid the "literal kool-aid".

Watchtower is definitely imploding though, even though many of those who are still "in", don't realize it yet. The full implosion could happen sooner, or it could happen later, but it will definitely happen.

Worf