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  The Third World Factor/Watchtower

  by metatron in

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  in relation to the watchtower's decline, in money and doctrine, the third world factor.

  rarely is brought up.

  originally, witnesses were mostly american and european but.

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  Wren

  It seems like all that's left leading WT is the legal dept. and the bean counters. Is maintaining the stats the priority now?

  Keep the numbers up with third world converts. This keeps the active members comfortable in developed nations which maintains the money flow.

  I'm guessing an increasingly heavier focus maintaining the statistics in the future by:

  The third world six-month-study-and-your-in converts but little $ spent there. In developed nations: Pushing big magazine routes. Have studys which last for years, counting time on studys with inactive ones until they are active, whenever that may be. Spend months gathering up seat takers for the memorial. Have no limit on family studies hrs. Set up 10 hour a month free for any creative billboard witnessing(think Christmas outside decorations but using a WT & Awakes display. My aunt actually pulled this stunt).

  This trend started few years ago, it would not surprise me if it continues. (edited: can't form a sentence)

  Edited by - wren on 31 December 2002 15:26:32
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  Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

  by sleepy in

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  which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

  i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

  for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

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  I know you said not to but I can't help it.

  Basing all your hopes, devoting your life and childrens lives upon the writings of a third generation splinter group from the Millerites and their great disappointment. Aaaahhhhh!

  Open any Wt book of Revelation interpretation, close your eyes and point.
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  Your funeral -- if not in a church, then what?

  by Gopher in

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  i don't mean to sound morbid, but we're all mortal.

  just as we are wise if we plan for our financial future, we are also wise if we plan for our demise (timely or otherwise), so that our relatives know our wishes and are not burdened with difficult decisions in the case a fatal event befalls us.

  so for those of us who are currently unchurched -- we all know that if you wish to "tie the knot" you can quite easily get a "justice of the peace" to perform a wedding.

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  If near a body of water, have ashes sprinkled off the deck of a boat with the captain saying some words of rememberance. A nice wreath thrown out is customary. Oh, and a party afterward. Tell your family "If you want to pay your respects just go take a swim". My cranky Catholic grandfather actually told the the rest of his devout Catholic family that when they took great offence to his cremation plans.
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  Most embarrasing Wathctower you had to place

  by GeddyLee in

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  man they used to come up with some corny topics, and even worse covers.

  it made an already unbearable task even worse.

  the top of the crap pile for me was trying to place a magazine entitled the salty drink that saves lives.

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  There's the old quick-fold-back-the-pages to a non embarrassing article before anyone opens the door offer. Did anyone ever place 2 WT or 2 Awakes, then use the lame mag for fire starter? It was generally accepted thing to when I pioneered. Lots of wood stoves around. Us "sales reps" had to draw the line somewhere not to look like complete fools.

  SheilaM & Scully: me too and still angry. I spent 2 hours getting 3 preschoolers ready to go out Saturday FS. I was put with an older pioneer couple(one was an elder) that apparently didn't want to be hassled with kids. After 20 minutes of D to D, a very heavy rain began. They gave me the territory to work by myself. They promptly dumped me & kids back at my car while they went off to do RVs. The next day, Sun. Meeting, I handed the territory to the elder that gave it to me, at a crowded lit. counter. I growled & hissed out a "Don't you EVER take me out in FS for 20 min. wasting my morning AGAIN!! Nobody ever did either, it was one of the last times spent in that nonsense.
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  Malawiian Group Wants to Seize JW Buildings

  by blondie in

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  http://www.malawihere.com/viewnews.asp?id=1296&recnum=5&catid=13

  can fdc, pac buy maize for the poor?

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  It looks like the Malawi Insider does biting political satire? So it's true that WT has big gains in war/politically torn, impoverished nations. The WT assets mushrooming in these areas are noticable to the residents?
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  Goodmorning! How is everyone???

  by Crazy151drinker in

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  goodmorning everyone .

  how are you today??

  i hope everyone is doing good.

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  Good Morning & doing good here too. Happy Winter Solistice time! The full moon was so bright and a welcome light last night. Five hours of daylight now at this Lat. but it's alot better than those with no daylight. Bye for now...
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  Should I "come out" to my JW mum?

  by Sirona in

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  first of all, i'm not gay so its not *that* sort of coming out.

  question is: "should i tell my jw mum that i am now a pagan"?.

  i'm one of those unusual (stupid?

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  I'm going through a slow coming out, also. Your topics hit home. Sentinel has a good point with explaining there is a difference between Pagan vs Occult/Satan worship. Many people don't understand & lump it all together.

  When I was a JW, my grandmother "came out" in a sense to me about her beliefs. It made all the difference in the world in how she explained it. She was into metaphysics including communing with positive energies/spirits, as I understood it. (Please excuse my lack of correct terms.) This was in the 60's/70's before it became New Age. She explained that she would never have anything to do with Satan worship or any negative energies. She emphasised there are no events of the supernatural in her home. This was such a relief and our good, close relationship was never affected. I could not have handled "demonic activity" at the time.

  You cautioned someone awhile back about calling up negative spirits/energies. Downplaying black magic seems in line with Pagan beliefs?

  You have the shunning thing to deal with which makes it harder. It may not make a bit of difference but giving a tactful, positive Pagan "witness" may be worth a try.
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  VENT about JWs!

  by Sirona in

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  this is just a little bit of venting because i need it!

  also i need to know what you think / your experiences.. ok. i leave jws and after a while i feel great about it.

  i express how i feel to jws - they think i'm persecuting them!.

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  The JW attitude described in this thread reminds me of the comic routine.

  JW's at the door with sermon offering the paradise. Comedian has a wide eyed reply of "Who would want to live forever with a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses!"

  How true.
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  Cats and lawnmowers

  by troucul in

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  ok guys, (simon probably won't like this thread) what's the worst thing you did as a kid to a defenseless animal?

  me, i liked to throw rocks at frogs.

  my mom was so mad when she saw me..... the girls are gonna be pissed..... rotfl

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  Wren

  Lots of replies to this one. As a teenager, I went on a date once to the sand dunes to shoot seagulls with a .22 rifle. Never did hit anything. Try doing that now in a state park!

  I chased a baby skunk out with a broom, that crawled in through the dryer vent, & couldn't make contact no matter how many times I swung at it. I thought the spotted ones were civic cats that didn't spray. I was the smart one in the family.

  The kids lost interest in & abandoned a gerbil of theirs. I could not give it away to anyone & did try. It was find a python owner or give it 2 minutes lead time out the door then let the cat out. I choose the latter. That cat was trying for it from day one. I did not enjoy it, it just I'm of the opinion rats are cat food.

  Firecrackers work well to keep dogs running loose, that are up to no good, off your property.

  As for ethics, any animal or fish I kill, is eaten.
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  Favorite Monty Python Sketch?

  by Bendrr in

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  maybe this one has been done before.. what's your favorite monty python sketch?.

  mike.

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  Life of Brian stoning scene: "But all I said was this halibut was fit for jehovah." His comment at dinner table.

  Stoning commences upon saying the J word again.