Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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LET'S HELP JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TO LOVE APOSTATES
by Terry in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
simple application of logic to scripture interpretation:.

if two terms mean the same thing it should not change the meaning to exchange one word for the other.. first, jesus lays the foundation for us.

let us read.. luke 6:27-37 "but i say to you who are listening, continue to love your enemies , to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.
AndDontCallMeShirley

What do you think the chances are any JW would read it that way. . . EVER?

1. it's in the Bible, so it's unlikely a JW will actually read it.

2. the GB will never, ever tell JWs to read it that way so JWs will never, ever see it that way.

3. JWs have had this scripture available to them as long as they've existed. If they haven't seen it up to now, they won't with more time.

4.

Obstacle #1 for JWs: Continue becoming merciful

Obstacle #2 for JWs: stop judging

Obstacle #3 for JWs: stop condemning

Without these foundational tenets, what reason does a person have to be a Jehovah's Witness?

Going through life without being able to condemn and judge others would simply be: no fun. Provincialism is the last bastion of the weak...and without it JWs lose their entire identity.

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Other than that, you make a great point, Terry.
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Warwick, Class 5 Building project, Why?
by DwainBowman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
so what is a class 5 project?.

it is one done to the highest standards.

paint & drywall, fit and finish, of everything to perfection.
AndDontCallMeShirley

All workers are being told NOTHING BUT THE BEST WILL DO!

Hey, when labor is free, and maybe a lot of the materials too, why not demand the very best?

WT will fetch a higher sales price when it liquidates the property in a few years (at Jehovah's direction, of course).
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'Trusted' Jehovahs Witness raped and sexually abused girls
by cliff in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.
AndDontCallMeShirley

If you're "reading" pornography, you're doing it wrong.

I don't read pornography...I just look at it for the pictures. Reading is way too much work. LOL.
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My problem with Original Sin
by leftbelow in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i found this quote in a book i was reading and it struck me this is why original sin is a problem for me.. damnation is the start of your morality, destruction is its purpose, means and end.

your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice.

it demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof.
AndDontCallMeShirley

Your code begins... demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil

This is the insidious and destructive nature of religion and the fairytales it builds itself on.

Imagine how much better the world would be if the converse was taught as truth rather than the current lie: namely, that we all have worth beyond measure and have only to embrace and use it?
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How is assembly / district cost figured out?
by EndofMysteries in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
when they annouce that a 1 day assembly cost $30,000, do they pull that number out of their hienie?

i'm sure somebody on this site had been part of the paperwork trail for that.

for a building that's paid off, do they really have that many expenses and add them all up and divide by weeks of the month or make up a high inflated number to send a big bonus to wt?.
AndDontCallMeShirley

Most recent pedophilia case lost in court, divided by number of attendees = per publisher rent cost.
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Will the Societies tighten their grip even more with the power slipping?
by thedepressedsoul in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i think its pretty clear that the gb are power hungry.

you cannot listen to the branch visit and not see clear as day that there are some of them that are loving the power.

it showed the clearest with anthony morris.. now all these sex abuse scandals and news media are taking their power away.
AndDontCallMeShirley

sparrowdown: That's the second biggest bun I have ever seen.

What's the first?? Just curious.
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Will the Societies tighten their grip even more with the power slipping?
by thedepressedsoul in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i think its pretty clear that the gb are power hungry.

you cannot listen to the branch visit and not see clear as day that there are some of them that are loving the power.

it showed the clearest with anthony morris.. now all these sex abuse scandals and news media are taking their power away.
AndDontCallMeShirley

To add to DoC's list:

> using the generic "brazen" term as a catch-all in order to DF a person on any trumped-up charge a JC wants to use.

> The GB ramping up their self-aggrandizing tear by unilaterally declaring themselves the faithful slave.

> If anyone hasn't noticed, the title has progressed from "governing body" to "Governing Body".

> The WT's renewed focus on labelling anyone who disagrees with, or even questions WT, as an "apostate". A recent WT article warned JWs to shun even an active brother if that person talks about WT in a questioning manner.

> The recent largest money grab in WT history.

> "listen, obey and be blessed".

And, finally:

Paragraph 17 from the Stupefied (simplified) WT edition:

"At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives." (W 11-15-13)

If that doesn't smack of desperation by escalation of control, I don't know what does.
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'Trusted' Jehovahs Witness raped and sexually abused girls
by cliff in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.
AndDontCallMeShirley

"Out of convicted rapists, 57% admitted to reading pornography. 95% admitted to reading the Bible."

I can see the day when mental institutions are going to be inundated with jehovahs witnesses .

They already are. They are called "Kingdom Halls". LOL.
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Why were no sea creatures destroyed in the flood?
by smiddy in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
all the animals on earth were destroyed in the flood of noahs day apart from those in the ark ,apparently no sea creatures were destroyed in the flood , why is that ?.

this is not an issue that only affects jehovahs witnesses , it is one that affects all beleivers that accept the bible as gods word.. obviously sea creatures were not put on the ark , no whales ,no dolphins , no fish , no krill , no plankton etc.

you can fill in the rest .. so my question is , why were land animals / birds singled out for destruction ?, what wrong did they do to deserve this judgement against them .
AndDontCallMeShirley

TheRedeemer: I wonder how big the bible would be if they removed all the silly stories (i.e. flood, red sea), miracles, violence, atrocities by God, atrocities commited by God's servants, idiotic finicky rules, prophecies and just left facts and good advice?

Not sure where I got this quote from but it seems apropos here:

"Erase the whole bible, and just have one page. Written on that page are bold letters; "Don't be a dick"
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how long are circuit assemblies and district assemblies now
by darth frosty in
1. jw
2. friends
wife was wondering.
AndDontCallMeShirley

$24,000 to use a Hall you have already paid for ?

Yes. It just happened recently at an Ass Hall in my area, too. Got the report directly from someone who attended.