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  WT's Crazed Obsession!

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have recently read for the umpteenth time the 4 gospel accounts.

  what caught my attention this time around was how many times jesus makes mention of the endeared expression father (with f in caps) when referring to his god as recorded by matthew, mark, luke and john.. what was also interesting by comparison is how little jesus actually makes reference to his father on a first name basis (jehovah) in these four books.. note my findings with the help of the comprehensive concordance:.

  jehovah: matthew 11 times mark 8 times luke 26 times john 4 times (total 49 times).. father: mathew 43 times mark 4 times luke 21 times john 119 times (total 187 times).. .

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  Bob_NC

  Following is the most interesting explanation I have read on the name Jehovah being absent from the Greek scriptures. This from believers of course.

  That it was the purpose of YaHWeH of the OT to have the name YHWH go into obscurity. That God was known to the Hebrews and Israelites as Yahweh. But now the true God was to be known to all the world by means of His earthly son. So His purpose changed, that he was no longer just YHWH of the Israelites, but now he was to GOD for all the world. Thus, the name YHWH had finished its purpose. By the time Jeus arrived, the name was known only as a historical reference and was not used in every day worship. Not even by Jesus.
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  Who Are Your Past Circuit Overseers? It's a small world..

  by mentallyfree31 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who were your past circuit overseers?

  i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).

  ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).

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  Bob_NC

  Lynnie? For real. I would love to hear it. If it is something that you can't post here, please feel free to send me a message.
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  A message from Brother Russell

  by donny in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was having an anointed moment last night when brother russell came to me in a dream.

  he was quite disturbed and agitated.. he said "brother reed, what in the miracle wheat eating jellyfish is going on with the organization i set up?

  the more of my beloved watchtower that i read the more they marginalize my dead ass.".

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  Bob_NC

  Would you "join up" with any group started by an enthusiastic 23 year-old with access to a printing company? Just sayin'
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  13,204 memorial partakers for 2013

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hahahahha going up up up.

  the new yearbook is finally on jw.org.

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  Bob_NC

  Pass the wine. Want more bread over there?
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  "In Gods Love" bible study ch 15, wife convinced to send our kids to Bethel

  by DS211 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  after 6 weeks of hiatus from our home study we are finishing ch 15-see good for all your work.. throughout the last part of the chapter it goes i er how to view secular work--keep it simple and ministry first before work.

  so the elder told me of a bro who went to a tech school for welding but got the real welding education with the siciety and is now 2nd in class welder at either bethel or the farm.

  another bro went to bethel for computers and is now makes a ton if money oart time and can pioneer (jehovah made it all happen)...then elder we t into how 73% of kids cant get jobs after college and it isnt really an education but mostly partying.

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  Bob_NC

  Take another 6 week hiatus. The first thing I did upon stopping attending meetings was to enroll in a community college and earned a degree in computer programming. Best thing I ever did for myself.

  Reality check. The elder gave two examples that he has heard of where things seem to have turned out well for the young persons. But what would these two young people say about their experience? We don't know.

  How many people toil at Bethel for 10 or 20 years, showing proper respect for Jehovah's theocratically appointed Bethel elders, only to be laid off aka dismissed from Bethel on short notice? How many Bethelites are reassigned to pioneer work in Podunk USA? How many Bethelites have been sent home after a few bouts of a recurring medical condition that cause them not to be able work for a while? How many bright talented Bethelites have as a work assignment to fold sheets, push the laundry cart, or repaint rusty handrails. That is all admirable work. This is just a reality check on the wonderful world of a Bethel career.
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  They have slipped it in ........

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as we know, we can search the bible from cover to cover and we dont find any reference to the governing body.

  not now, it has been slipped in for the outine of contents for acts 15. here we are looking at history through a modern, distorting lens.. outline of contents.

  dispute in antioch regarding circumcision (1, 2)question brought to jerusalem (3-5)elders and apostles meet together (6-21)letter from the governing body (22-29)?

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  Bob_NC

  How did "apostles and the elders, together with the whole congregation, decided to send chosen men from among them to Antioch" become a governing body?

  Verses 22, 23 sound more like an apology from Jerusalem rather than a decision. The only "decision" made was to send men in person. I say that they were making sure that their apology came across as sincere, since they send along respected men to say in person what was written on the short note. And it was a note, not a letter.
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  BIG conversation with the missus MKII. Ended well. Wish I could argue better!

  by Captain Blithering in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, had a loooooooong conversation with the missus again after being accused of being overly critical of the borg.. .

  i stated that i thought the borg was marvellous, full of really good people, (in our experience, it has been so far), but that i had difficulty with the dogmatic stance we had on certain issues that we couldn't possibly be sure about, and that if i were to vocalise any of these issues and unrepentantly not change my thinking, then i could be df'd for that, which i view as an unloving bullying tactic.

  organ transplants, vaccinations, (jah will resurrect, don't worry), new understandings of the fads and generations etc... particularly the thought that only jw's will be saved.

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  Bob_NC

  Oh by the way. When it was me in your spot, my wife initially listened and then asked if I might be under the influence of Satan, Satan being one to mislead many and transforms himself into an angel of light. I told her that I didn't think so at all, but that I would continue to study and pray about all things. We didn't talk about it much for many weeks, it might have been months. I was supportive of what she was doing with the Kingdom Hall. She was even a pioneering at the time. But she knew how I felt.

  Long story short. She left on her own terms with very little doing of me. Her leaving had to be on her terms. I planted some seeds. The seeds fell on fertile ground, but she had to allow them to grow, not me.
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  BIG conversation with the missus MKII. Ended well. Wish I could argue better!

  by Captain Blithering in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, had a loooooooong conversation with the missus again after being accused of being overly critical of the borg.. .

  i stated that i thought the borg was marvellous, full of really good people, (in our experience, it has been so far), but that i had difficulty with the dogmatic stance we had on certain issues that we couldn't possibly be sure about, and that if i were to vocalise any of these issues and unrepentantly not change my thinking, then i could be df'd for that, which i view as an unloving bullying tactic.

  organ transplants, vaccinations, (jah will resurrect, don't worry), new understandings of the fads and generations etc... particularly the thought that only jw's will be saved.

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  Bob_NC

  Captain. Very good that you and the misses were able to talk things through. Now then, please, give her some space with this to digest this. This is big for her and her perception of all things will change. Don't you be the dogmatic one. She knows now. Anything new right away will come across as you being pushy or dogmatic. Who knows, after sorting through this, she may come back with her own misgivings about the Org, but they hav eto be HER misgivings. That will take some time.
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  Appointed by holy spirit

  by Ben57 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading the posts on who is and or had been an elder.

  it amazes me at what many have said.

  perhaps i have misunderstood what they were saying.

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  Bob_NC

  Someone please provide some WT quotes as to what the WTS has taught about elders being appointed "by holy spirit." I do not think there is any misunderstanding that the WTS has taught that elders are appointed by holy spirit acting on the matter.

  I am sure there are quotes that indicate what Ben is saying. However, I am also sure that there are hundreds of quotes indicating that holy spirit is active on each appointment, is active on the GB making appointments, or is active on the the Society in general when appointment reccomendations are received.

  How about elders being princes in all the land? And elders being the stars in the hand of the heavenly enthroned Jesus?

  On a similar note, how about holy spirit bearing witness with the spirit of those who become the anointed?
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  Are You Embarrassed Because You Were A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not.

  everyone makes mistakes..

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  Bob_NC

  Same as with NY44M and braincleaned, I WAS embarrassed when I was a believer. Not at all any more. I don't mind telling what I used to believe and why I believed at the time.

  Do you suppose that our inner psyche, or true inner self, was always aware and that our embarrassment was due to living on the outside different from our inner truth?