Posts by Gig

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I have a question about Jesus :)

by Rockmangames in

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friends

i need a scripture of the bible that prove jesus's hair is not a long hair but a short hair.

and also a scripture of jesus has 5 brothers (if i remembered correct), please ?

two scriptues that .

Gig

It's fine to study JW's, but you need to know going in that their "Bible studies" are always using a WT book that has a few scriptures cited. In other words, they use the Bible to support THEIR teachings instead of using their teachings to support the Bible. BIG difference. Their history is chock full of going beyond what is written. A "good" witness is expected, no required, to believe everything that comes from the WT comes from Jehovah. If this were true, then you would expect to see a far better history than what their so-called "one true religion" has demonstrated. A good start would be to look at the Bible's teaching regarding the return of Jesus. The WT waives all that off as figurative, in fact, they'll try to tell you that he ALREADY returned and that all but JW's missed it. Moreover, they've said he would return before, first visibly, then invisibly, then a new date...the world was supposed to end so many times I lost count according to the WT.

People here have lived it, I've only studied it for the last 2 years. Like I said, it's fine you want to study them and their teachings, spend EXACTLY the same amount of time studying the opposing viewpoint and you will arrive at the truth. Be advised that their literature, the books and mags, are all very deceiving. They sound very convincing and are easy to believe.

My own personal opinion after a zillion hours of research, study, meetings, and prayers is that the WTS is a dangerous thing. The wolf in sheeps clothing the Bible speaks of that deceives many.

Accept only the truth, and you'll be fine, but make sure it's the truth. The work will be rewarding. You have no idea what a blessing it is that you stumbled accross this site. There are thousands of years experience with the WTS in here. You should give them as much attention as you do the JW's, take note of how much they will discourage you, even condemn you for researching here. BOTH sides of a story give you the big picture. Be careful!

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Help for a friend

by Happy in

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friends

i am not a witness, and i have never been one, but i have a very close friend who is a witness, and have done a lot of reading about the wt and i am well aware of the many evils of their teachings.

but i am not posting to insult the boys in brooklyn.

my friend that i mentioned earlier is currently a witness, and i am wondering if anybody has any idea how i can help her deal with her situation.

Gig

You would think that approaching a JW with some truth would be fairly simple. Obviously they spend an inordinate amount of time talking about it. You care about her, that's great, but the odds are overwhelmingly against you. With her family in it you've got little chance. BUT, there's no reason not to promote yourself as a lover of the truth. Share when you're able to share, shut up when you know what's coming. Don't argue, they're trained for that. Study a bit on cognitive dissonance and then find a way to create it for your friend. You'll find lots of help here. Plant and water, let God give the increase.

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Love & Dating

by stefanieroe in

i need someones advice on dating a jw when im not a believer.

i've just recently met him, lets call him chad, and he was the most amazing person ive ever met.

he was easy to talk to and funny, sweet, gorgeous.

Gig

I also fell in love with a JW. That was almost two years ago and we still love one another. I never knew much about JW's until I met her and began to study them and their doctrines. I have to tell you that you MUST study their teachings if you really want to be with him. I also have to tell you that having done so myself, there is NO WAY to accept them as truthful, and certainly not the "one true religion". Now let me back up, I'm not saying that JW's are untruthful, most all of them I've met and studied with are genuinely good people. They do the best they can to serve God in the way they are taught...that's what's wrong. What they are taught comes strait from the governing body of the WTS in New York, I am entirely convinced, after thousands of hours of research, that they are corrupt, greedy, unloving, dishonest men. Their teachings, which JW's are REQUIRED to believe as if they come from God himself, have far too often hurt people...even killed them. False teachings abound and there never comes an apology, and wrongdoing is blamed on the average witness. There are plenty of web-sites and books that describe WT history, teachings, and errors. Take the time to do this YOURSELF. Your man will tell you NOT to do this because JW's aren't allowed to read or study ANYTHING that isn't written by the WTS. It's intellectually dishonest to disallow opposing viewpoints, and extremely controlling, which is the best description of the WT world.

My advice is to study the WT for yourself and by yourself, then bring some of what you learn to your man for his consideration. If he refuses to accept what is plainly the truth, then you haven't a chance at happiness with him anytime soon. I can tell you that the WT and JW's seem to have an answer for everything, I can also tell you that the majority of those answers are wrong and it takes a tremendous effort to understand just what it is they want you to believe and how you have to act on that belief. DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE FOOLED. Make sure you are aware of how much your emotions are influencing your decisions. The Bible says that false teachers are like wolves in sheeps clothing, this is the WT in a nutshell. They seem nice and caring, but disagree with them and you will be rejected. Stay honest, tell them how much you hate deceit, that it has no place in the christian life, ESPECIALLY in the so-called one true religion. Tell them after you study their history that you have to expect more from "Jehovah's channel, organization, and arrangement. They will give you excellent arguement, they are TRAINED for this.

Because I have spent so much time researching them and studying with them, I can promise you that they are misled. I care more about this than you can possibly imagine, again, I love a JW too.

E-mail me if you want some help. The fact that they claim that Jesus already returned and we all missed it should be enough to create caution for you. At your age you may not have much Bible study time under your belt, this is dangerous for you at this point, you are vulnerable to their deceit. I promise you that if you become a JW your life will change significantly for the worse.

Honestly, after having gone through what I have, I encourage you to simply tell your man that you will NEVER, EVER be a JW, and refuse to study with him using WT books and mags. His obligation as a JW is to get you to believe EXACTLY as they do, otherwise you are unsaved. The problem is the WT, they are anything but Christian, and as a JW you will be REQUIRED to do exactly as they say, even when they reverse and change their requirements, all the while condemning you for not having faith in God. You cannot be happy as a JW, although you will go around telling everyone that you couldn't be happier.

Please be careful. Their writings are very crafty and clever and can easily confuse you.

Be an unwavering lover of the truth and you will be fine, though not likely with this man.

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Am I oversimplifying?

by Gig in

jw
friends

i'm fairly new here but regularly i read posts that recognize the significant lack of love among jw's.

would i be speaking too simply to say that since god is love... they just haven't truly accepted him into their hearts rendering them incapable of exibiting pure christian love in their lives?.

love isn't something we do for him, it's something he does through us.

Gig

Whyhideit, by way of clarification I definately didn't come to any conclusion based only on what I have read here (ex/anti JW). I have attended enough meetings, read enough WT books and mags, and then engaged enough JW's myself to recognize it, even as a potential candidate in their eyes. I saw it and obvoiously most here have seen it as well. Evaluate individually, yes...altogether fair and proper. BUT, the WT "effect" is by design and supposed to dull their loving senses enough to REJECT anyone and everyone who simply disagrees with ANYTHING WT related. That rejection certainly isn't christian because it is the opposite of the Bible's teachings about love.

Faith hope and love, and the GREATEST is love. Thanks for your reply, I'm SURE we're on the same team.

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How NOT to be swindled or conned

by YoursChelbie in

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friends

at this time of the year i like to contemplate on the lessons learned during the .

previous year.

i have a question for anyone wanting to share their own experiences: have you been swindled or conned this year or previously?

Gig

Always measure someones information against another's. Make sure you have the pros AND the cons...and be honest with yourself about just how much your emotions are affecting your decisions. Trust is earned, credibility must be maintained, truth and honesty is imperative. What you hear from others is opinion, which change, even the good ones. Make up your own mind AFTER you do the due diligence. Don't dwell so much on your own mistakes that you miss the lessons that can be learned from others mistakes. Examples are great, even when they are of what NOT to do.

A few ideas for starters. This will sound elementary but...don't worry, be happy. It works.

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Am I oversimplifying?

by Gig in

jw
friends

i'm fairly new here but regularly i read posts that recognize the significant lack of love among jw's.

would i be speaking too simply to say that since god is love... they just haven't truly accepted him into their hearts rendering them incapable of exibiting pure christian love in their lives?.

love isn't something we do for him, it's something he does through us.

Gig

I'm fairly new here but regularly I read posts that recognize the significant lack of love among JW's. Would I be speaking too simply to say that since God is love... they just haven't truly accepted Him into their hearts rendering them incapable of exibiting pure Christian love in their lives?

Love isn't something we do FOR Him, it's something He does THROUGH us. I believe the WT requirements pushes it right out of them. Everything we do is motivate either by love or fear.

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New Religion or Fix it

by JH in

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friends

do you figure that the watchtower only needs a bit of fine tuning, small minor ajustments, or do you believe that they are completely off the track as far as biblical knowledge is concerned?

i ask this question since many don't seem to find any other religion to replace this one.

so maybe this religion only needs fine tuning, or many small minor ajustments that would solve most of their problems.

Gig

Fine tuning by imperative means one is already tuned to some extent. The WT teachings and control are no tune at all. True Christians are in tune with Jesus, and the Father does the fine tuning as we put our faith in Him to do so. The WT has so many errant teachings based on scriptures out of context that the whole picture is entirely out of focus. Then there is the obvious lack of emphasis on true love and the power of grace. The Holy Spirit, our comfortor and counselor is ignored for the greatest...Jah himself. Worse yet, to JW's the WT GB is Jah for all practical purposes.

Nope, false teaching and false prophecy equals false religion and God will execute His judgement as He sees fit. In the meantime I'll continue to serve and honor Him as best I know how...including loving JW's enough to plant and water as opportunity affords.

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What would life be like if the WTBS never existed

by Iwasyoungonce in

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friends

what would your life be like if the entire watchtower organization never was.

Gig

Married...and ideally, happily. But remember this, if it weren't for orgs like the WT, could we clearly see what good orgs are...if there was nothing to compare?

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The "Clean Organization" Myth

by metatron in

jw
friends

i just had to laugh.

the old congregation i used to attend now has two young.

unmarried sisters who got knocked up by their 'worldly' boyfriends.

Gig

When you get right down to it, JW's are just people...some good and some bad. To somehow arrive at some percentage regarding their conduct verses non JW's is near impossible. My experience with JW's doesn't suggest anything outstanding, and certainly doesn't agree with their endless claims of tremendous love, behavior, and obedience to Jah so far and above other christians I know. Clean? Yes, but not to the extent they boast about. I actually equate the word "clean" to their DF ing, whereas they enjoy a "cleansing" each time another prophecy fails. But if they didn't believe it to be true, all of it, then they aren't good witnesses according to "what is written" by the WT.

Even well behaved JW's are incapable of adding much to society at large, in effect they are forbidden. Good behavior doesn't automatically mean good people anyway, your heart has to be right. The WT mold doesn't allow much for good open-heartedness to outsiders where it counts the most. The Bible asks, what good is it to you to love those who love you?

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Do not blame the workers in the field

by whyhideit in

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friends

often when discussing with jehovah's witnesses the problems of the organization, it is common for them to say they think you are lying.

they may feel in some way or another that you have fallen away from the pure light, and have become blinded to jehovah, and opened your eyes to satan's false teaching.

these words, and the thinking i have expressed, should sound very familiar to any reader who has spent time in the organization.

Gig

Very good analysis, and the WTS is exactly like a bomb...it kills or at least hurts so many innocents. The workers have no idea what they support, they are told ever so repeatedly that it's all about Jah and His kingdom. Poor souls, I wish the blue prints for the WT were as easy to read as a bomb diagram.