i was under the impression that an apostate was anyone who left the witnesses, was df'ed/da'ed, or was just actively opposed to them.
but i was reading in my hubby's old "reasoning book" that an apostate is one who professes to believe in christ (but not the jws), claims to serve god (but is not a jw), tries to pull away current jws or attack them.
so, by that definition, would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?.
would someone who fades away and professes no religion still be considered an apostate if he or she didn't try to take anyone with them and did not attack the religion?
No they wouldn't be considered apostate.
The WT's offical page says that they don't shun "former members" - so those of us who are faders are shooting for the status of being former members - which is mostly known as "inactive"
hi gang.. i'm not new here by any means.
nor did i ever think that i would be writing about a dillemma.
i have an adult son.
Val said:
:Keep them cut off til they can show that behavior is part of thier past.
My knee jerk reaction is to reject this as it sounds so much like disfellowshipping. I'm going to ponder this for a while.
i "came out" a few years ago, after living straight for 30 years.
tried to deny all those years that i was a lesbian.
but even if i didnt act on it...i still was.
Again not gay, but I wonder if all of us up here who are "fading" can relate?
Can't to talk to anyone about how you really feel?
Scared that if your friends and family find out they will reject you?
Thinking if you could just try hard enough you could just go along with everyone else and fake it?
Of course for many up here they have read "Crisis in Conscience" to become a fader, is there any one book you can read that could turn you gay? I've always suspected there was.
Welcome
imagine yourself driving along on a wild stormy night.
you pass by a bus stop, and you see three people waiting for the bus.
1. an old lady who is about to die.
WildHorses said:
there is no such thing as a perfect man
Oh Really? Well then I would like to beg to differ and direct your attention....(having second thoughts).... oh never mind
last night was the first meeting of the circuit overseers visit.
i didnt go, but i know (because of a call from an elder about two weeks ago) that they are going to visit me this week.
ahh!!
Say you are not "able" to talk.
They should respect that. If they press hold your ground. If they knock don't answer.
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no prospects for the future except getting old and dying...most likely alone.. all seems kind of pointless sometimes, doesn't it?
Xena said:
I believed I was never going to get old....never get divorced...never have to worry about retirement or putting my kid thru college....my parents were never supposed to die and my sisters were supposed to love me forever....
You are right none of that was supposed to happen.
Wounds open, wounds close, wounds open, wounds close - finally the scar tissue gives a bit of relief.
Glad you could come here while having a "wounds open" day.
as some of you may know, i work nights as a network technician.
this means i sit for about 8 hours, alone, watching 12 screens to see if anything goes red.
if it does, then i start making phone calls and troubleshooting.
HEY FATTY!
Computer network type work - CHECK
Gained 30 lbs in last 4 years - CHECK
Knee surgery can't jog anymore - CHECK
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( The Wingmen, Confusedjw and FMZ, waddle into the bar )
Scanning the crowd the wingmen consult one another - "too skinny, too skinny, too skin.....whoa there are some babes in our league". Cutting the two plump babes out of the herd, people shake their heads in awe - as usual the Wingmen score - leaving arm in arm with Oprah and Kirsty Alley.
WWWWWIIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGGMMMMMMAAAAANNNNNNNN
you know, i have the lingering suspicion i will never have children.
that's right, no little bradley's or bradettes to worry about.
here's my logic: i left the dub's two years ago (almost) and am still a couple years away from a degree.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
you are so busted Logan - look below to read about the rest of your life.
Judging from the way the god of this universe works - right now the girl of you dreams is moving in next to you, you'll get hitched, she'll get pregnant and you'll end up as one of those parents that pines around the house when the kids aren't home, boring the crap out of everyone at school and work with stories and pictures, making birdhouses on Saturday with them, designing kites with them on Sundays, catching frogs and fireflies at night with them, building them forts in the living room, reading them stories at bedtime with a different voice for each character just to make them laugh and say "Oh Daddy", coaching Little League and and posting sappy "I love my kids" threads on JWD and be in the happiest place of your life, not even able to remember what life was like or all about before you had them.
or not I could be wrong
i arrived home after work last night, my two daughters were away on a residential course, my son staying with a friend.
i was preparing a meal with my four year old when the phone rang.
the call was from a ministerial servant from my old congregation.
I vote also that it's his conscience.
didn't she work in the clinton white house?
tells you something about government employees, especially democratic ones!
i wondered if she sabotoged the white house keyboards when the clintonista's departed?
I *actually* hate her.
